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Re: “More on teaching creationism

@pelham
An article in Salon, a blog post and a book at Amazon all have one thing in common; they are not evidence. Please provide a link to actual science that 'proves' that free will does not exist. Or are you one of the people that likes to point out, what you think, are holes in the Theory of Evolution and then proclaim that God must have done it?

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Posted by Using Reason on 05/03/2012 at 10:32 AM

Re: “More on teaching creationism

@Pelham

1) That is not not a quote from Dawkins but from a book by Sam Harris.
2)neuroscience is the study of the brain on a physical level, not the more esoteric ideas of free will

If you disagree with either of these points please provide something that supports your argument. (The name of the book is - Free Will). Even Cognitive neuroscience does not deal with the idea of free will.

See I just used my free will not to be a sarcastic jerk while replying to you; I choose the high road.

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Posted by Using Reason on 05/02/2012 at 3:46 PM

Re: “More on teaching creationism

@Ben

I live my life based on the idea (faith if you will) that people are basically good. Obviously there are exceptions to every rule but instead of assuming the worst in people I hope for the best and seem to be rarely disappointed. In this way I am a man of faith and live a faith based life every day. This 'faith' is based on my dealing with people, on my personal experiences. It has nothing to do with these peoples, religion, skin color, gender or sexual orientation; I own my faith and can explain it to anyone that asks very clearly. Maybe this explains my approach to people of religious faith. I am also tired of arguing with religious people that clearly know very little about their own religion. I have had to explain, several times, to Christians that they pray to the same god the Muslims do; this explanation is met with disbelief quite frequently.

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Posted by Using Reason on 05/02/2012 at 1:54 PM

Re: “More on teaching creationism

@Pelham

You are quoting a book that poses some thoughts, let's call it a philosophy, about free will. It is not scientific evidence. I would suggest, again, that you go and find out what evidence actually is before posting again.

I never said I don't believe in anything i just said that Atheism is not a belief no matter how many times you call it one. My beliefs do not make me an Atheist; my research into world religions and testing the foundations of religions do.

Posted by Using Reason on 05/02/2012 at 1:42 PM

Re: “More on teaching creationism

@Ben hates Twitter

I think we are using different definitions for some things. A rational person does not believe in something based on nothing. If one looks at the history of religion and the genesis of the Christian faith it is easy to see it being created and shaped by man; built on earlier mythology, co-opting pagan festivals, and the early church formalizing for political reasons. If you choose to have 'faith' in this religion without ever examining it in any meaningful way you are being irrational. Emotions are a real and very well evidenced part of the human experience, intuition not so much. We can agree that there is evidence of a thing existing and being real without fully understanding it, I have no problem with that and try to maintain an open mind. There is zero evidence in support of a god or higher power of any kind. Living a life devoted to a God with the idea that you will live forever by his side is not rational.

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Posted by Using Reason on 05/02/2012 at 1:34 PM

Re: “More on teaching creationism

@Pelham

"I wonder how atheists would respond under similar examination. Being thoroughly rational people, for instance, how would they respond to detailed questioning about their belief -- now as irrefutable as evolution -- that there is no such thing as human free will? This being the case, why would an atheist ever be upset with, say, Rod Blagojevich, Sam Zell or Osama bin Laden? Or even Christians, for that matter?"

Not sure where you are getting your information from but Atheism is not a belief, or a belief system; Atheism is a position, the position that without evidence it is not rational to believe in a god/higher power. The free will thing is funny but not correct, thanks for the laugh. A further note on evidence; your 'personal' relationship with your god is not evidence and certainly not a rational reason for me to believe in your faith.

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Posted by Using Reason on 05/02/2012 at 12:01 PM

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"Yes, that is what the proponents want, but who says we (you) have to give it to them? See, that's surrender--surrender to the potential of the worse possible outcome, surrender to bullies who will demand no compromise. You would give up, like a puppy scared of thunder. I would fight harder to make sure we don't water-down needed education just because some ignorant bullies on the right would fight to have their own way. (And that, my little blog friend, is also a summation of why liberals/progressives have been so damn wimpy for going on two generations now.)"

Clearly my post was in support of teaching creationism (insert sarcasm).

Posted by Using Reason on 05/02/2012 at 11:52 AM

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