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Re: “More on teaching creationism


My point is that real things don't care whether I believe in them or not, because they're real, and me believing or disbelieving in them isn't going to change that. Reason and Planet Earth are real, whether I believe in them or not. By that reasoning, God doesn't exist (because there is no empirical proof of God's existence), and me believing or not believing in God won't change that.

Of course, I'm using reason to prove that these things exist, and to do that I have to believe in reason, don't I?--I have to believe that reason actually proves that the Earth exists. "I think, therefore, I am" is only true if "I am" actually exists, and is not an illusion foisted upon me by my brain's consciousness. If everything is an illusion, than nothing is real, and it still wouldn't matter if I believed it or not, because everything wouldn't be real.

Posted by pragmatist on 05/03/2012 at 2:16 AM

Re: “More on teaching creationism

Human Ape, it's very obvious that you haven't read Michael Miner very much, if at all, because if you had, you'd realize that it's very obvious that Michael Miner is anything but an uneducated moron. Google "argumentum ad hominem" to find out why it has no place in rational argument.

Coupla things:
1. "If you don't believe in reason, why do you use it?" Reason doesn't care if I believe in it or not--it's still gonna exist. Planet Earth doesn't care if I believe in it either--it simply exists.

From Miner's post: "In other words, if science and faith can give such extremely different answers to fundamental questions, we cheat children if we don't explain to them the wellsprings of those answers."

"They should know what faith is."

True. Faith did have a huge role in the development of this country, which is why faith's role should be taught in schools--in history classes, not in creationism classes.

2. Miner is not saying that creationism should be taught as a science--see his second sentence.

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Posted by pragmatist on 05/02/2012 at 4:09 PM

Re: “It's Time to Make a Clean Break With Ronny's

Skeptic, when did being in a band become a viable career option?

Posted by pragmatist on 11/05/2010 at 12:28 PM

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