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The Cool Kids

Clayton Hauck

Don’t Hate Them Because They’re Hip

One of Chicago’s hottest scenes has attracted the inevitable backlash.

June 5, 2008

In late May the old-school hip-hop site Unkut.com put up a post called “The Search for the Biggest Douchebag in Hipster Rap.” Site curator Robbie Ettelson defines the hipster-rap scene as a “new wave of ‘ironic’ rappers who seem hell-bent on achieving new levels of sucking,” dismissively calls their style “Party Rocking,” and complains about the “gimmicky, calculated vibe” of everything they do. “Whether it’s wearing 80’s gear and garish print hoodies, rapping about skateboards and BMX bikes or making songs about nail polish/lip gloss, these wacky young ’uns are poised to take ’tarded rap to the next level.” The post ends with a poll, “Who Is the Biggest Hipster Rap Douchbag [sic],” and five of the eight contenders presented are from Chicago: the Cool Kids, Kanye West, Kid Sister, Lupe Fiasco, and Kidz in the Hall.

The Cool Kids, "Black Mags"

Kid Sister, "Pro Nails"

The poll also fingers out-of-towners N*E*R*D, Lil Mama, and M.I.A.—Spank Rock and Jay Electronica get a pass—but there’s no question that Chicago is the capital of hipster rap (a term I’m using only for consistency’s sake, under protest). Add locals Hollywood Holt, Mic Terror, and Flosstradamus to Unkut’s five and you’ve got the lion’s share of the genre’s major players.

Like current punk and emo, hipster rap is defined by fashion as much as music—brightly colored streetwear, throwback hip-hop accessories, skinny jeans on guys—which is how a sonic explorer like Kanye can get lumped in with retro revivalists like the Cool Kids. Most criticism of hipster rap only goes clothes deep, and even for relatively philosophical haters like Ettelson, the sight of a rapper in anything but baggy jeans and a hoodie seems to trigger homosexual panic. He calls out N*E*R*D for making “looking gay . . . hot for a minute” and “Kanye ‘Liberache [sic]’ West” for making “fruity sunglasses blow-up.” Presumably he’s never seen the video for “The Message” where Grandmaster Flash rocks tight jeans, cowboy boots, and a leather-daddy cap.

Jersey City rapper Mazzi has joined the hipster-rap backlash, posting MP3s and YouTube videos for two dis tracks, “Lesson A” and “Lesson B,” that call out Jay Electronica and the Cool Kids by name. He doesn’t cut much deeper than Ettelson when he rips on them for their “tight-ass jeans” and “prob’ly tighter thongs,” but “Lesson B” ends with an interview with Q-Tip where he makes a few actual points, criticizing youngsters for copping styles that he and other old-schoolers helped create.

I haven’t seen the Cool Kids respond to Mazzi, and I couldn’t raise them on the phone—they seem to be staying out of the shit flinging. But Mic Terror, who isn’t even named, has released a “Lesson C” online. It doesn’t exactly improve the tone of the debate, consisting mostly of fag and terrorist jokes (Mazzi is of Arabic descent). At press time the two of them had gone one more round without getting past name-calling: Mazzi dropped “Class Dismissed” and Mic Terror replied with “Detention.”

Kidz in the Hall, "Driving Down the Block"

Kidz in the Hall, "Wheelz Fall Off"

It’s a shame nobody in hipster rap has yet attempted a more responsible rebuttal, because it wouldn’t be hard to make one. Heads who came of age in the 80s or even the better half of the 90s tend to feel a sense of ownership toward old-school culture that can make them seem a little humorless about it, notwithstanding how much fun some of that music was. The way hipster rappers screw around with old-school signifiers has raised some hackles, and I figure the haters play the authenticity card because criticizing hipster rappers for being unserious—which they generally are—is about the same as dissing fun. Hipster rap actually embodies the same sort of utopian, big-tent ideal that old-school hip-hop did, treating the music as a force for bringing people together across racial and cultural lines. Its artists look forward as much as they look back, working on the leading edge of the interplay between rap music and dance music.

Q-Tip’s complaint in particular seems off when you consider that pretty much every musical subculture reuses elements from the past, sometimes even more blatantly than hipster rap—think electro, new rave, or freak folk. In his interview he almost collapses his own argument, essentially saying that hipster rappers are inauthentic because they weren’t around when the styles they’re biting evolved. By that standard nobody under 60 should be trying to play rock ’n’ roll.

The authenticity argument often implicates not just the rappers themselves but also their audience. In a post called “It Takes a Nation of Haircuts to Hold Us Back,” Oh Word blogger Sach O claims hipster rap is “intended for an affluent, generally educated white audience wanting to dabble in the excesses of black music absent from more restrained contemporary rock without really investing themselves in the less comfortable aspects of black culture.” White kids want the funky otherness of hip-hop, in other words, without all the scary black people. But in Chicago at least, the hipster-rap scene has always drawn mixed crowds. It’s not the less comfortable aspects of black culture it avoids but the less comfortable aspects of hip-hop culture—the thuggishness and ignorance, hardly confined to black artists and fans, that high-minded blogs like Oh Word and Unkut.com go out of their way to criticize in mainstream rappers.

Mazzi, "Lesson A"

Mazzi ft. Q-Tip, "Lesson B"

Andrew Barber of the Chicago-centric hip-hop blog Fake Shore Drive, which has been acting as a forum for this hipster-rap beef by hosting MP3s and videos from both sides, likes that the scene is “bringing the fun back to hip-hop, which has been bogged down . . . by negativity over the past few years.” It may not put much of a premium on socially responsible lyrics, but its inclusivity makes it seem pretty enlightened anyway. “Seriously,” he writes, “go to one of their shows or parties and you’ll see kids from all different races, religions, and socioeconomic backgrounds having fun together and partying peacefully. How could you hate something like that?”

Calling hipster rap fake doesn’t just insult hipster rappers and the people who love them—it insults hip-hop itself. The pioneers of the genre struggled to establish it as a legitimate pop form, and by the late 90s it had become one of the great common languages of global musical culture. Is it really respecting that triumph to insist that a movement of such world-changing scope isn’t big enough to contain hipster rap? The people going nuts over this stuff grew up immersed in hip-hop culture, whether they’re black or not, and it’s entirely predictable for them to want to start fucking with the formula. Hip-hop is grown-up now, with kids even, and it’s going to have to go through the tug-of-war over norms and values that always arises with a generation gap.

“The essence of hip-hop lies in the battle,” says Barber. “It’s a very important aspect of the culture and I’m all with it as long as it stays on wax. Or I guess these days on YouTube.”   R

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Marwan at 6:50 AM on 6/5/2008

Hah! Chi-Town better stand up on this one. Hipster hip hop it is not. It's real hip-hop: production, creativity, the streets, inclusion. And if people want gangster shite, we got it too. As for Mazzi, lets see him go toe to toe with a professional like Lupe. It's Chi-town's turn to shine. We set the standard while everyone else hates. Peace!

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rafi at 9:50 AM on 6/5/2008

Wanted to share this in Google Reader.. Is there an RSS feed available?

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Dankweed at 11:32 AM on 6/5/2008

Good for Q-Tip... hey hipster rap: Throw yer hands in the air! Now keep em there! You know what that means? That's old school. By saying it was a "utopian, big-tent ideal" shows that you have no idea what it was. What did Just-Ice say in "Going Way Back"? "If I didn't say your name, then you were not there." Your name will never be said. Do you even know that record?

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BboyScoobyDoo at 11:47 AM on 6/5/2008

Why doesn't Edan or Jurassic Five ever get mentioned in these arguments as examples of younger artists who are inspired and take elements from the old school or golden era and who get respect from the pioneers because they are doing it with the research and tradition that it deserves... when I say I hate this new-wannbe-old shit I want to make it clear that I don't mean guys like that.

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that dude at 12:53 PM on 6/5/2008

dankweed: q-tip sounded like an idiot. he tripped over his own words, contradicted himself, and was not even accurate. he sounded like a bitter old man who is sour that he aint the hot new thang no more.

dont get me wrong. tribe is my favorite group of all time, and q is one of my favorite emcees, but he should stick to rapping.

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Zipgunletteroffer at 3:25 PM on 6/5/2008

^but according to you and the hipsters that say they are influenced by low end theory he still is "the hot new thang" so maybe we should listen to what comes from the horses mouth instead of what comes from the mouths of imitators who got it twisted... there's a little more to what the guys on Unkut are about than just loving low end theory... Y'all should blame your chum A-Trak for making the comparison to NWA, Beasties, and Ice T that started all this shit in the first place, he's the dumbshit who opened his mouth, if he hadn't the unkut guys still wouldn't even know what any of this shit is cuz they would've just dismissed it as corny pop bullshit from the start and paid it no mind, it's when you start claiming that there is some sort of torch being handed down that the actual torch-holders start scrutinizing and making sure that these new self-appointed torchbearers aren't making them look like douchebags and belittling their legacy, that's all the Abstract was doin

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whatever at 3:39 PM on 6/5/2008

by relating Flash's gear to the tight pants of today, you are forcing us to blame the whole thing on cocaine. It's now a fact: "When coke is popular, people dress like clowns." GMF is a pioneer don't use his name and reputation to make your point it makes you sound misinformed

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dim at 3:47 PM on 6/5/2008

let Q-Tip tell the truth, telling him to be quiet about this is like saying, "Forget what Robert Johnson has to say, let's get Eric Clapton's take on it he's more modern and accessible..."

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dudelookslikealady at 7:02 PM on 6/5/2008

Blogs are the worst thing to ever happen to music.

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Frank Sampedro at 10:21 PM on 6/5/2008

I haven't heard all of the artists called out for their hipness, but the ones I have (MIA, Cool Kids, Kid Sister, Kanye, Lupe) are quite obviously serious artists with talent and charisma. Anything beyond that is for people with far too much time on their hands. The only people that care about this argument are bloggers and those that read them. (And just because he was in Tribe Called Quest doesn't mean Q-Tip's opinion means anything. Remember that Eric Clapton was once relevant.)

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bee zed aye at 8:11 AM on 6/6/2008

i think the real beef - rather than with 'having fun' - is with getting your aLife XL tee, and your skinny jeans, and your dunk hi's, and your cazals straight before you actually tighten up your MC game. these kids are just a little too quick to strike a pose and have their picture taken. it all comes off as juvenile narcicism.

not to say tribe and tip didn't do the same at one point (luck of lucienne anyone?), but their lyrics and delivery were airtight. and when you lay down rhymes over freddie hubbard's red clay like tribe, it's arguably immediately transcendant relative to some kid rhyming about nail polish over willfully corny, tinny casio beats.

hip hop has always been about that braggadocio swagger, no one can fault the hipsters for that. but they need to get their whole game tight, not just the bubble gum image.

by the way - i'm not a huge fan of kanye or spank rock, but to mention them in the same breath with these busch league pitty pap high school acts is hardly fair. and leave M.I.A. out of it too.

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WerdKid at 8:42 AM on 6/6/2008

This is the only real Hipster Rap I've ever been able to find:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FArZxLj6DLk

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spiz at 10:03 AM on 6/6/2008

The Chicago Reader totally forgot to mention local stalwart SERENGETI from the list. shame shame shame

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chittychittyblingbling at 12:06 PM on 6/6/2008

Props to whatever & bee zed aye.

This is another round of the same old debate(s) popping up again in a newer context. What I'd like to know is since WHEN has "party rap" not had a place in hip-hop? And I think I've been hearing since, oh, only like _1989_ that a good portion of hip-hop album purchases are made by white suburban middle-class kids. Add to that that talking about who/what's "real" in hip-hop is sometimes a little too much like talking about who's "honest" in politics. It's ultimately show biz.

But yeah, the hipster element is probably more the target, here. It's hipsters who sometimes flex with an attitude about all of this being "their" scene. Yet a lot of the newer Chicago artists cited are from (and first started kicking it on) the Southside -- from areas and neighborhoods that most hipsters would never venture into. Its only when they started playing certain Northside venues and flipping their tracks to specific blogs & whatnot.

As far the music goes -- yeah, maybe time a few of the newer artists stepped up their efforts/skills, tightened up their games, and put some real product out there. S'been nearly two years since some of them started getting press and they still haven't ante'd up or put out a debut full-length. The lesson to be learned? That Myspace and the blogs are only good for getting you some instant, fleeting attention; but they doesn't constitute a career foothold in itself. As much as some claim otherwise, the music biz hasn't changed _that_ radically.


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chittychittybligbling at 12:28 PM on 6/6/2008

And sorry for the fragment above. Meant to say: Its only when they started playing certain Northside venues and flipping their tracks to specific blogs that they started getting attention from a certain crowd.

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tankboy at 12:38 PM on 6/6/2008

So what exactly is wrong with hipster rap?

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Christopher at 1:17 AM on 6/7/2008

back in the days when I was a teenager/before I had status and before I had a pager/you could find the abstract listening to hip hop/my pops used to say, it reminded him of be-bop/I said well daddy don't you know that things go in cycles/the way that bobby brown is just ampin like michael
- q-tip

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white chocolate at 1:27 AM on 6/7/2008

No mention of kool keith ? He was on this 10 years ago:

Why are you looking hard with a hood on and timberland boots
Staring at me for one hour -
- when you could walk up and shake my hand? why?
Why are you making those mean faces in your videos
With the fish lens effects? why?
Why do you walk in the clubs with 30 people around you
And stand in the corner, with big bodyguards for no reason
Why?
Why do you pull up, in valet parking, with your benz, that is rented?
Fronting on a cellular phone that doesn’t work - why?
Why are you smirking up your face, making obnoxious facial scenes
Like I supposed to be scared (supposed to be scared) - why? (why? )

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otis echidna at 10:05 AM on 6/7/2008

First off there is no mention anywhere in this article of Pharrell Williams, who basically blueprinted out 'hipster rap''s ethos of shitty post-808 beats with two note choruses, coupled with more emphasis on what you're wearing than a horny bitch primping on a Friday night. Without Clipse's "Grinding" the idea of the streetwear-obsessed narsy n*e*r*d kid who also pulls the strings in the gangsta-beats realm wouldn't have happened. As much as I dun wanna I gotta take Kanye out of this hipster rap debacle. His style and production and countless line of ill jams are next-level. You can hear threads of dope hip-hop in his music, such as great samples, melodies, good chord progressions. What I really have issue with is not so much the music but the subtle shifting of the 'content' of the music to the identities/exterior representation of the performers (hannah montana, the cool kids). It's not great music, but you 're liking it because you know that the performers are "cool looking" or "streetwear cool" or something. Also a problem with "streetwear" is its easily-accessible elitism adopted by its enthusiasts and also their reinforced, commodity-based identities. are sneaker-collecting highlighter kids the new backpackers? Leaders would like you to think so...// myspace.com/otisechidna

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realness at 12:27 AM on 6/8/2008

Come with your own style! Biting has gone way too far. Yes HipHop has utilized elements and samples of other music, but we didn't take their whole style! We created our own! Hipster shit is garbage because they bring nothing new to the game with a bitten style. Make your own trend, set your own path, don't re-walk down the same road someone made and act like that's you. Creativity is LOST and if this is whats coming out of the CHI, then the CHI lost hard.

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spencer jackson at 7:37 AM on 6/8/2008

you go girl!

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ChicagoBoi at 3:40 PM on 6/9/2008

You cannot put Kanye in the same class with this other garbage. The cool kids will be irrelevant in about a year and kanye will be scoring blockbuster movies and winning even more grammy's and oscars,etc.... This Hipster gay sh#@ is on it's last legs anyway and I'll be glad when this fake throwback sh@# is over with. Chicago looks real suspect right now.
Aye realness, we aint lost yet...once these hipsters die off in a year or so,we'll be back!!!!

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willis drummond at 9:58 AM on 6/10/2008

the problem with a lot of this mess is that none of these hipster rappers are GOOD AT RAPPING. i saw that kid hollywood holt's stuff, and look: the dude is clearly a personality and an entertainer, has charisma, can get oversexed 21 year old muppets bopping around at a hipster house party, sure. but neither he, nor spankrock, nor any of these other kids are actually good rappers. and i'm not dissing them because they're unserious. some of my favorite hip-hop songs are my favorites because of their lack of seriousness (i could make a hella long list here...but i mean, my favorite beatnuts song's chorus is "i wanna fuck, drink beer and smoke some shit"...not exactly the most serious or uplifting moment in hip-hop history). the guys currently rapping about "real shit" also tend to make boring records...do i really have to listen to another Little Brother / Roots record? and i'm not saying they have to be on some freestyle fellowship shit either, because those guys are technical monsters on the mic but make some of the most boring fucking records i've ever heard. i guess what it boils down is that they make Least Common Denominator Music: the cool kids, for example, have some of the least innovative beats i've ever heard but they put bass in them so they sound decent at a club. they have simple, repetitive hooks in their songs that the aforementioned muppets can recite when they reeling around drunk off their flirtini's or whatever (boosh!). they sound decent on the mic but their delivery bores me to tears...and if you're going to rap about your sneaker collection, please, hoss, don't make it sound like you're sitting there just reading a list of the sneakers in your stash. because that's what it sounds like. i'd rather listen to david attenborough wax poetic about the shitting habits of tree slugs.

so, to recap: the least amount of effort possible into crafting songs that un-innovative fashionistas will remember at their local club. do they get a pass because it's "fun"? maybe to some folks, but the problem is that when we start lowering our standards and expecting less and saying "yeah it's not great, but it's fun, so let's buy it", then the labels will start dulling down their steez and soon you have a whole subculture of brainless ("but fun!") music made for kids that aren't interested in the roots or history of where that music comes from (even the dumbed down party stuff of yesteryear). oh wait.....that's exactly the culture that this article is talking about. my bad. never mind.

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E at 3:21 PM on 6/10/2008

If the Cool Kids are Hipster-rap, what does that make Mickey Avalon?

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zeckwreck at 4:07 PM on 6/10/2008

Ha! Hip-hop is scared of change. I love the golden era, and consider 1988-1998 to be the best stretch for the music yet...However, we have been in a sad state for several years and need a severe slap in the face. The Cool Kids are dope, so are the Knux, as well as Wale (who is a real MC).

My only complaint is the hipster trend. I live in SF, which is a huge hipster playground. I've come to learn that it is a movement that means nothing. Not like punk, or backpack rappers, this "movement" is about buying shitty clothes that don't fit and going to themed parties. It's about not being original in any way, and trying to live like it's high school all over again. Everyone went or is going to art school, exclusively hang with each other, and bitch about people with different tastes/styles.

Hip-hop and hipsters don't work together. Be original and keep pushing the movement, but please don't try to follow a trend that doesn't stand for anything. Just keep the music real and stop fronting...

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Tone at 8:57 AM on 6/11/2008

It doesn't matter what you look like, just make good music. unfortunately most of the so called 'hipster' artists seemed to have forsaken good music for a media friendly 'pop' image.

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Garnish at 9:19 PM on 6/11/2008

I see no proof of these groups 'looking forward'. Rap music is bastardized to the point where I see no difference between these chicago acts and some advertising executive cooking up a mcdonalds commercial where the premise is that Ronald McDonald is wearing a gold chain and he's doing a "rap thing, you know, like the kids like". It's paint by numbers bullshit and i'm excited for when all followers hang themselves by their v-necks

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d.Moon at 7:56 AM on 6/12/2008

I love the freshness of Chicago hip-hop, but the fact remains that most of them are not going to win any awards for their lyricism or originality. Q-Tip hit it right on the head, this movement is so not authentic. It's based solely on a fad. A whole bunch of people who don't really know (or care) what hip-hop is.

It's really interesting that people are trying to take ownership of something they don't care about. It's all image and no substance. But we all know what happens to fads... Come back to me in two years and ask me about the hipster hip-hop movement. I mean really... eventually these hipsters fans are going to have to take a shower and get a real job...How ironic is that?

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deedee at 4:51 PM on 6/12/2008

It's called "fashion rap" not "hipster hip hop"

It sucks because I don't want to hear rapping about bmx bikes, corny clothes, or female mcs with annoying voices...in my humble opinion.

ps there flows are terrible as well.

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damo at 11:00 PM on 6/12/2008

The only authentic stuff I see is coming out of the underground; this hipster/fashion rap is truly a fad, like d.moon said.

Some stuff I've been hearing about that seems authentic, is this "Crash" scene, of kids just going out to where ever they can find a space and putting on their own shows. I hear they got some serious hate for the clubs, and anything "blingy" as they put it.

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Tiny Tyrant at 2:49 AM on 6/13/2008

i don't believe anyone is denying the right of this lot (hipster hoppers's) to have a go, but the plain fact is: to most, they suck. a lot. get hated, big deal. they makin money, right?

kanye, not hipster? i still hate his joints. objectively, yeah, he has more skills than most. so what. this is art, not engineering. if your calc's are out a smidge, no bridge is gonna fail, but it might just sound dope with that crazy drunken style.

diss and response? yeah, that's more like it. even a wak battle has some entertainment value.

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DJ Hot Tub at 11:59 AM on 6/20/2008

It seems to me Chicago's the city spawning Hip Hop that's actually interesting. Don't be scared of having fun; it's OK to dance with a smile on your face. Hollywood Holt and Mic Terror are releasing great music and leading the party rap scene. Go Chicago!

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n a at 2:19 AM on 6/24/2008

i can't believe this made a story. i love qtip but don't understand why he is even bothering with this.. let people do what they want if it's good it lasts. if it's bad well it might last but only one generation at most. do you know anyone blasting master p anymore? hammer? craig mack ? juelz santana? some of the mentioned above might even be somewhat relevant, but when it comes down to it there are artists for now and artists with longevity. come on who cares? nobody is tripping and saying outkast's music is lacking because of their clothing. its more like they say he's odd but dope. chicago is so divided by neighborhoods anyways this cities artists aren't going to unite over some nonsense like this. the hiphop scene in chicago is about as weak and divided as everywhere else. unless your talking purely mainstream. i don't even know where im going with this anymore. can ya'll please write about something interesting w/ some sort of purpose in music next time? thanks.

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sothsideLUV at 4:36 PM on 6/25/2008

I love what's goin on in my city and that the real music is from the SouthSide and even some from the DarkSide. Hate all you want for it will never stop us from what we love to do. Talk shit, bitch, and just party. With a city with over half a million gangstas please be careful of who you call fake. Aint wearing what you want and walkin the way you want and talkin the way you want without havin to pay mind to what is established the goal of all hip hop

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sturdy at 1:26 PM on 7/10/2008

that 'black mags' video is great. thanks.

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that_girl_u_know at 3:26 PM on 8/8/2008

People take life to seriously! Let the kids have fun. I love The Cool Kids. I've seen them perform in Chicago and they were dope! Lupe is a genius and amazing lyricist!Period.

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