The view of the Polish Triangle from the offices of Studio Gang
Leslie Schwartz
Round two of the battle over the glorified bus stop known as the Polish Triangle
By Tasneem Paghdiwala October 18, 2007
From his office window Zygmunt Dyrkacz can see everything that happens at the Polish Triangle. It’s a bleak, brick-paved island at the intersection of Ashland, Division, and Milwaukee, three graffiti-covered bus shelters and a Blue Line entrance sharing space with some honey locusts and a fountain. A Polish emigre, Dyrkacz owns the Chopin Theatre, across from the Triangle on the south side of Division. He lives above the theater with his wife and their two children, and the little plaza is the closest thing they have to a front yard. For the second time now, he’s caught up in a fight over its future. “Aha!” he shouts, pointing to a corner of the Triangle where three young guys stand toe to toe, looking over their shoulders. “Selling drugs! I know this because I go down there, I hear them talking. These same people I have seen like, 20, 30 times.”
An older man naps on a bench, a backpack under his head and his shopping cart secured to a lamppost with bungee cord. The lampposts in the Triangle, got a paint job early in the summer but the painter reached only halfway up. “He came out for, like, one day, then, pfft! Disappears.” The job wasn’t finished until mid-August.
Dyrkacz has seen kids from the three nearby high schools brawling at the bus stops, and he’s seen people wash their clothes in the fountain. He sees empty chip bags and Wendy’s wrappers pile up inside the low grilles that circle the locusts lining the Triangle. He sweeps the sidewalk in front of his box office every morning, and when the Triangle looks especially gritty he takes his broom across the street.
In the 40s Division was dense with polka clubs and Polish bars from Ashland to Western, and when Dyrkacz moved in 20 years ago the stretch was still called Polish Broadway. There were three Polish-owned banks on the Triangle, he remembers, and a handful of pierogi spots. The Polish daily newspaper Zgoda was his biggest neighbor. Now the theater and the tiny Podhalanka Polksa Restauracja next door are the only Polish holdouts, surrounded by national banks, fast food joints, discount retail, and the La Pasadita taquerias.
Ten years ago some fans of Nelson Algren approached the city with the idea of naming the intersection after the writer—who lived a few blocks west on Evergreen until he left town in the 70s. His characters, many of them working-class Poles, drank and fought in the bars along Division. Dyrkacz campaigned against the idea, urging the city to instead make the triangle’s vernacular name official, preserving the Polish history of the area.
“The Polish will see this as an unresolved issue,” Dyrkacz told Jeff Huebner for a Reader story at the time. “It’d be like going to an Indian reservation and naming it for a white author who wrote about the Indians and not naming it for the Indians themselves.” He got local churches, neighborhood groups, and a hospital on his side, and in the end the plaza was christened the Polish Triangle. A fountain named after Algren was erected in its center.
When the fountain—a nine-foot-wide iron basin surrounded by a concrete pool—was dedicated in 1997, flower bushes ringed its base. The flowers were trampled by people reaching into the water and sitting on the fountain’s rim long ago, and four years ago the Chicago Department of Transportation, which maintains the island, replaced the bushes. The ones that weren’t stolen were trampled again. The concrete is badly chipped. Metal plates that girdle the fountain offer an inscription from Algren’s Chicago, City on the Make: “For the masses who do the city’s labor also keep the city’s heart.” It’s caked with pigeon droppings. Dyrkacz cradles his bald head in his long fingers, dragging his eyelids down. “Does this look like gateway to Wicker Park? Like destination for artist from around the world? It looks like barnyard.”
Neighborhood groups say the Triangle belongs to Wicker Park, but the Triangle seems worlds away from the boutiques and bars a few blocks north and west. The hipsters, bikers, and shoppers who clog the corners of Damen, North, and Milwaukee don’t make it this far down Milwaukee, and Dyrkacz says that unless the Triangle gets a face-lift they never will. Even before the Algren controversy, he felt it should serve as the southeast gateway to Wicker Park. When the fountain was new, Huebner asked Dyrkacz what he thought of it. “My vision was different,” he said. “The fountain could be artistic instead of looking manufactured. The gateway to Wicker Park should have something better, more artistic.”
A year ago, hoping it would lead to support for their dream of an overhauled Triangle, Dyrkacz and his wife Lela Headd got involved with the newly formed Wicker Park & Bucktown Special Service Area. SSAs are city-approved neighborhood groups that can tax residences and businesses along a neighborhood’s commercial corridor. They fund projects like streetscaping, festivals, and graffiti cleanup, trying to draw more (and more desirable) foot traffic to the corridor. Headd is a commissioner on the SSA board, and Dyrkacz attends almost every public meeting. He’s more vocal than some of the board members, loudly snorting disapproval of budgetary proposals and bursting into passionate, long-winded objections.
In its first year, the Wicker Park & Bucktown SSA budgeted $144,000 to clean and power wash all the sidewalks within its boundaries; that’s the only SSA money that’s directly touched the Triangle so far. Some of the commissioners thought it was a lot of money for so little improvement, and power washing got cut from the next year’s budget. Dyrkacz and Headd have suggested the SSA could pay residents to clean up their own sidewalks far more cheaply. And they’re irritated that the 2007 budget set aside $20,000 to create a logo for the SSA and $200,000 to hire outside consultants to make a “master plan” and do a “cultural audit” of the area. “Everyone wants to do studies to find out what do people in the neighborhood want. You have two people right here who have lived on the Triangle for 20 years,” says Dyrkacz.
“I think some members, they don’t have much imagination of what could be. They don’t travel, they don’t dream,” he says. “‘Let’s put a flower box here, let’s clean up the graffiti, and that’s enough.’ It’s like my mother, who’d like me to have a normal job, just sit at my nice desk, be safe.” He and Headd haven’t sketched out a design for a new Triangle, but Dyrkacz can rattle off ideas. “We could hang paintings of Ed Paschke, famous Polish and Chicago painter. We can have sculpture from Dessa Kirk, Chicago artist who made ‘flower lady’ sculpture in Grant Park. Maybe we have plaques saying, this is where Nelson Algren lived and wrote ‘Man With Golden Arm.’ Here is plaque for Saul Bellow, famous Chicago writer. Here is plaque for French lady who lived with Nelson Algren. We could put roof over Triangle, and make statue of little old lady praying, to show Polish history, and have beautiful lampposts like in French Quarter, and ornamental tiles in the fountain. Everything shining and colorful. This could be postcard place for Chicago.”
Head and Dyrkacz say they try to discuss the Triangle at board meetings of the Wicker Park & Bucktown SSA, but the meetings run according to Robert’s Rules of Order and the couple’s zeal often doesn’t. “They always give me ten minutes at the end of the agenda, and we always run late with all the other stuff on the list, and by the time they get to me, it’s like, ‘OK, we have to clear the room in five minutes ’cause they’re kicking us out,’” Headd says. She and Dyrkacz say other commissioners tell them to be more patient.
Last summer Dyrkacz wrote a letter to the SSA board. “I’m sorry if some of you feel that this letter is intrusive and out of place,” he wrote, “but the development of Wicker Park is something I’ve devoted the last 20 years of my life to . . . because I think this is my last hurrah.” He presented his ideas for making the Triangle a Wicker Park “destination” by cleaning it up. “There are 7-10 Polish immigrant alcoholics living on the triangle. . . . If I had the power, I’d buy 1 way tickets to Poland $300/ea and $2000/ea stipend to be received in Warsaw. I’m sure they have much better chances to recover if they are in their native countries with their families.” He also suggested erecting a 100-space parking garage on an existing lot at Division and Bosworth, half a block from the Chopin.
“I can’t speak for different peoples’ tolerances for different processes,” says Jan Metzger, a staffer at the Center for Neighborhood Technology and the board’s president, “but I work in the field of transportation policy and I’ve seen that it takes years and decades to get things done on this scale.” Metzger calls the Triangle “gritty”—she passes it nearly every day—but she says a stand-alone project for this intersection isn’t on the SSA’s agenda. Three Blue Line stations lie within the SSA’s boundaries, and Metzger says the SSA wants to overhaul all three with a uniform theme, but it’s “nowhere near” the stage of locking down what that will be. She says the master plan will shape the project. “We haven’t moved as fast as some would like,” she says, “but really, we are officially not a year old yet. A lot of this first year has been consumed in . . . understanding what the community wants. We can’t take the ideas of one or two people and spend a significant amount of public funds to please them. We need to make sure we’re doing what’s good for the whole SSA.”
This spring Dyrkacz and Headd discovered that Studio Gang, the inventive architectural firm behind the McCormick-Tribune Welcome Center and the upcoming Aqua tower, has its offices above an empty storefront facing the Triangle on the west side of Ashland. Its architects have looked though their own windows and wondered, what if? Better yet, Dyrkacz and Headd learned, each year Studio Gang takes on some community-oriented projects pro bono. So they dragged tables and chairs out to the Nelson Algren Fountain and met with Studio Gang architects. Mark Schendel, a principal with the firm, sized up the space as it stands. “Some of the bones are in place,” he said later. “There’s circulation from the buses and trains. I like people constantly moving through. The fountain brings the sound of water, and a very local passive cooling effect. It has a low wall to sit on. There’s circular benches around the trees. I love benches around trees.”
Unlike Dyrkacz, Schendel’s not interested in kicking out the Triangle’s regulars. “There’s a huge variety of people who use this park, which I like. People who’ve been in this neighborhood for a long time may have a different opinion about this, but I believe public space is for everyone. As an urban person you have to accept that.” He does want to add newcomers to the mix, mostly by introducing “programming,” an architect’s term for giving people with something productive to do a place to congregate, like a cafe or a newsstand. To create different kinds of shade he’d replace some of the honey locusts with other varieties. He’d widen the island and make the street traffic around it one way, move the bus shelters, and give the Blue Line entrance a roof to keep rainwater out.
But like Janice Metzger, Schendel doesn’t see a Triangle face-lift happening quickly. “Ziggy would love to just go in there guerrilla-style and put something up, but Ed Paschke is not where I would start. We would start with the boring stuff—determine noise levels, sun, shade. Who’s moving through the space? Who works here, who lives here? What kind of retail is there? We would get CTA ridership numbers and traffic counts per hour. I love Ziggy’s energy, but this is going to be a slow, measured process. I know it annoys him to no end, but it should be. This is public domain, and safety is of the utmost importance. That doesn’t mean we can’t do something beautiful and amazing.”
On the sidewalk in front of the Chopin Theatre box office stands a trash bin that Dyrkacz says he first asked Streets and Sanitation for early last year. It took months, he says, for someone to respond to his requests. When a trash bin finally showed up it wasn’t what Dyrkacz had asked for. It wasn’t red, like the ones installed farther west in Wicker Park. It was plain black. “All the letters I send, all this time I spend, all this headache, and finally when it comes it’s this ugly thing. I wish so much I could do it myself.”
Two weeks ago he and Headd placed four planters around the Nelson Algren Fountain—they wanted them there for the Around the Coyote Festival. They spent less than $300 on the pots, flowers, mulch, and soil. The frugality shows, and there’s no telling how long the flowers will last, but they do help pull the eye from the piles of old rice left for the Triangle’s pigeons. Send a letter to the editor.
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Wellity wellity well at 8:44 PM on 10/17/2007
I love that triangle like it was a child
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Vernadine at 9:46 AM on 10/18/2007
Wow!!! I never knew so much was going on at the corner. I grew up near by and would shop at the stores. The neighborhood is changing so rapidly you would think that area would change also. I remember when they first brough the water fountain and the benches I thought that was cool; neva really paid close attention to all the rift raft.
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Chicagoan at 1:08 PM on 10/18/2007
Thank you Mr. Dyrkacz for investing in your community. That six corner stop should be an upscale retail area to match the housing prices but it's a blight. I think Mr. Dyrkacz' vision for the corner is outstanding.
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walk by the traingle almost every day... at 2:34 PM on 10/18/2007
Yesterday afternoon I was waiting for the bus at Milwaukee and Evergreen and saw Ziggy Dyrkacz across the street taking pictures of the ground.
He was lamenting the cheap job of a new condo developer who had laid out the concrete squares incorrectly. We spoke of how things are not made the way they used to be.
He and Lela are so passionate that it is almost hard to watch. I am so glad that they care about making the hood beautiful. If we all had their passion the city would look much better. Keep fighting.
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keep Chicago real at 3:09 PM on 10/18/2007
Ugghhh Chicagoan, the last thing the damned city needs is more upscale retail areas. Do you want to live in a city or Disney World? This is the reason we born and bred Chicagoans keep moving to New York...to much yuppie BS.
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Z. at 3:42 PM on 10/18/2007
Millenium Park was crazy. The Olympic bid is crazy. Most large-scale, artistic, creative, different and beautiful undertakings are crazy. I think Ziggy and Lela have the passionate desire to make something beautiful and artistic where there is currently blight. And if that's crazy, then I wish we could get more bureaucrats to think that way. The careful approach most government programs take works equally hard to prevent blunders and greatness. I wish there was more room for our tax dollars to achieve greatness.
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chi type at 3:43 PM on 10/18/2007
God please don't let it go from "the masses that do the city's labor" to upscale retail. That triangle is amazing. Dyrkacz needs to move to Lincoln Park.
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John Doe at 6:55 PM on 10/18/2007
" Upgrading" that intersection is a bad idea. This city is a working class city and Wicker Park is still a working class family area. We need to put the needs of the workers who need to drive through there without restrictions, rather than the wannabe artists who contribute nothing other, and if they don't like they can move back to Palatine.
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Dude who lives nearby at 1:48 AM on 10/19/2007
The problem is that the triangle is in the middle of a a bunch of busy avenues. It's just not pedestrian friendly. That's why it attracts derelicts.
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aloysius at 1:53 AM on 10/19/2007
Bring back Arandas! I miss the 2am drunks passing out in their burritos! Bring back that weird bank which always stole my ATM card!
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jeanne at 10:35 AM on 10/19/2007
I understand Dyrkacz would like to beautify the area and I commend him for that, but some of his ideas seem a bit excessive. The triangle is really small, sandwiched between several streets and loaded with commuters. He wants to make the triangle posh and it doesn't seem possible or practicle. He points out displaying fine works of art as well as ornamental tiles. It's a public, outdoor, transit oriented, tiny park, not an outdoor museum. I think the money could be better spent, on things like graffiti removal and maintenance of local streets.
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SUPA FROM DOWN THE BLOCK at 10:44 AM on 10/19/2007
I grew up in this area and was so excited when the fountain was erected but I can honestly say, I've never been near it exactly for the same reason that Ziggy is figthing for. People washing their clothes, drunks and homeless people sleeping on the benches, pigeons everyone! I can't hang with that. But if they cleaned it and maintained it, I would take a stroll there instead of Wicker Park.
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patrickteque at 11:39 AM on 10/19/2007
I avoid walking on the triangle. I have an irrational fear of getting stuck on it forever.
maybe it should become a community wash basin like in those Old World european cities. GO GREEN!
psh.
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bob at 2:27 PM on 10/19/2007
"Do you want to live in a city or Disney World? This is the reason we born and bred Chicagoans keep moving to New York...to much yuppie BS"
Really? You're going to move to Manhattan because you think Chicago's too homogenized and yuppified? Good luck with that.
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Reality Check at 8:07 PM on 10/19/2007
As one with a better than average knowledge of the SSA world and more specifically that of Wicker Park/Bucktown; I can address directly some of the points brought about in the article.
Let me say; however, that I appreciate Ziggy and Lela's passion as well---we all want to better our community and corner of the world. That being said, I draw issue with some of their statements and also hold the Reader responsible for publishing information without the other side of the story in what might be, attempts to flame emotion or be about a lack of a better story.
First, the SSA "budgeted" $144,000 for power washing the sidewalks---however they didn't spend anywhere near that as anyone going to the meetings would know.
Second, what would it cost to beautify the triangle? How come that wasn't mentioned in the story? Perhaps, it's because Ziggy's main interest is beautifying his "front yard" as it was called in the article and not using the SSA money for the benefit (however limited he sees it) for all of us who contribute to it.
Point: Know, the SSA is not funded by an additional tax--it is however funded by the City giving back a percentage of property tax; already collected, to the SSA.
I could go on, but I need to pick up Thai food for me and my gal.
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ted at 8:19 PM on 10/19/2007
That corner is one F'd up dirty ass corner, to be certain. But let me see if I get this straight: a polish dude married to a black woman wants to make it a gateway to a place artists come to from around the world?
I did work for the "polish american whatever" over by the expressway about 7 years ago, and they asked me not to use black laborers. "try to make them like you" as I recall. As for artist mecca, this ain't no Paris 1920, or the Bauhaus. But God bless him, he has vision. He might get something done. Not all, but like the old man Daley used to say, "life is the art if compromise".
And for the gangbangers and shitheads on that corner, who cares what happens to them...they don't care what happens to you or I.
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kim at 2:51 PM on 10/20/2007
As a female resident, i just want the triangle to be cleaner and safer. I try to avoid it, especially at night, but I need to wait for the buses there.
I've never even noticed that it has a fountain named for Algren; I'm too busy trying not to make eye contact with the "gangbangers and shitheads" as ted so eloquently put it. I believe that their time here in Wicker Park will soon be over. I'm looking forward to it.
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VDAM at 3:17 PM on 10/20/2007
Fix the train entrance
Get rid of the fountain
trim those trees
put new lighting posts not new paint.
Re-plant the plants and bushes
add more trash bins, and place a camera, doesn't need to be the blue light cameras.
Have cops there from 2:30-4:30 when kids are coming out of school if the fighting is a problem.
Thats it, done. And who is the alderman for that ward? He/She isn't doing crap.
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Grew up near by. at 10:40 AM on 10/21/2007
I remember the triangle when cabs lined the Milwaukee side. It is a small spot but because it's so open many people see it.
Before anything can be done, the garbage that hangs out in and around the triangle needs to be cleaned. I mean the dealers, gangbangers and bumbs. No matter what is done, this eliment will bring it down and ruin it.
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Payton Chung at 11:59 PM on 10/21/2007
The WPB SSA covers 14 miles of city street frontage, all the way from Division and Milwaukee up to Fullerton and Western. The commission has a responsibility to distribute its resources fairly and equitably across its entire area.
Oh, and (1) cabs still line up along the Milwaukee side, and (2) the red trash cans elsewhere were paid for by the Chicago Avenue SSA, not by Streets & San. The WPB SSA is investigating new recycling and trash bins for the entire area.
Disclosure: I am a member of the SSA commission.
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Brad at 12:07 AM on 10/22/2007
God I love this triangle but I hate the fact that it has been just been written off to the losers who hang there. I don't care if they're homeless or not. They don't have any right to harass me for a quarter or ten every damn time I walk through. I see the potential Ziggy does!! Architects=bureaucracy. The triangle is fine. Clean it up, police it, put up a few more monuments, and it doesn't need architectural imposition.
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I love our neighborhood! at 9:33 AM on 10/22/2007
Finally! Someone bringing light to Wicker Park's DIRTY MESS! I LOVE living in Wicker Park - the diversity of the people is wonderful, but at the very top of my list of the worst is that triangle! Have you ever walked near it? I have a strong stomach, but I have physically gaged from the smell of the pigeons and homeless people. How can an OUTDOOR space smell so bad??? I have literally seen a half naked man IN the fountain bathing!
A few years ago, I used to sit in the triangle and read my book and wait for the bus, but now I can't even go near there. The benches are full of people LIVING there and everything is covered with pigeon poo! I will walk to the other side of the street, or walk south to the next bus stop just to get away from there. That triangle is a disgrace to our neighborhood, and for the first time since I have lived in the area, I feel un-safe walking through there.
Thank you for bringing light to this situation. This is not about "yuppies" or money, it is about having pride, ownership and love for our community. Please call our Alderman, Manny Flores at 773-278-0101 or email the office at ward01@cityofchicago.org, and tell him that this is not acceptable or safe for the residents of Wicker Park.
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drdave88 at 11:07 AM on 10/22/2007
Although i agree that this story reflects one opinion of what should be done to this area, i see it just as that - one side of this story. I would be hard pressed to find someone who thinks that graffiti, bums, drug dealing, garbage build up and overall disrepair acceptable anywhere. I think attention needs to be given to this area so we can all enjoy a safe and unique area in the city.
Being an architect i understand some of the concerns about a "Disney" feel for this area, or any area in that regard. i enjoy how gritty wicker/bucktown is, yet i often feel the bandwagon banter of "anything new is bad" is tiring. Good design and architecture is a must everywhere. I urge those who support change and renewal to understand that as these areas are improved, it should be done so with respect to the surroundings and with materials and a design that will stand the test of time.
Community improvement opinions are worthless unless constructive.
dr
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long time neighbor at 1:36 PM on 10/22/2007
I just can't stand the piss, the poop, the pigeons, the health issues, the derelicts, the fighting, the drugs, the alcoholics, the filth, the alleys with piles of human excrement, disease and bacteria! Even the dogs get the doo doo picked up after them, but no one even thinks about enforcing the health laws, public indecency rules, or the loitering and constant pigeon feeding that all attract the rats we experience daily. Alderman Flores should be ashamed, he promised to remove the benches to see if it would help, BUT NEVER DID anything. Let's start organizing to run a truthful candidate against him next time!
Mayor Daley should be ashamed of the this site and the dangers it has created in crime and health hazards!
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Eric at Roots & Culture at 8:01 PM on 10/22/2007
As a business owner in the area, my interest in making the neighborhood a friendly destination is obvious. As an artist I see great aesthetic potential. As a lover of urban spaces- particularly of my native city- I see a plaza that could provide the kind of egalitarian meeting ground that echoes some of the great public spaces in cities like Amsterdam, San Juan, and Barcelona. Beautification is an obvious first step- one in which I am very interested in contributing towards. I can envision a grander scheme for the triangle as an urban oasis which offers not only eye candy, but an opportunity to take an unexpected moment of rest (and maybe a coffee.)
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rachel from lloyd dobler at 3:38 PM on 10/23/2007
i agree with eric. i do think beautification is required and i like the ideas that studio gang came up with. i think the social advantages to having that space are innumerable and i would like to see it cleaned a bit and utilized in all sorts of ways.
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tasneem at 1:37 PM on 10/24/2007
In response to Reality Check,
My story doesn't say the SSA budgeted $144,000 for power washing, but that "the Wicker Park & Bucktown SSA budgeted $144,000 to clean and power wash all the sidewalks within its boundaries." Cleaning is its own cost, separate from power washing. I got these figures from Jamie Simone, the Wicker Park/Bucktown SSA program manager, who told me she couldn't give me the amount actually spent on power washing to date because she yet hadn't settled all of the invoices--however, she estimated that the total cost of power washing exceeded $50,000.
And, actually, the SSA is funded by an additional tax placed on property owners--businesses and residences--within its bounds. The city's Web site describes it as "a mechanism for contiguous industrial, commercial and residential areas to fund expanded services and programs through a localized property tax levy." At the Cook County Clerk's Web site, you can see 2006 tax rates--43 different SSAs are listed there are individual taxing bodies.
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Me again at 2:18 AM on 10/25/2007
Thank you for your clarification. To me, when you mentioned the $144k to "clean and power wash" the sidewalks---I only thought of power washing. I mean, isn't power washing; after all, cleaning? However, you must have also meant to say snow removal/salting and sweeping of debris like cigarette butts and papers which is provided by the SSA. I was further confused by your statement in the next sentence stating power washing was cut from next year's budget, so I'm assuming the snow removal, etc was not cut? It just read like $144k was spent (budgeted) on power washing alone.
So you know, I'm not against helping the Polish Triangle. But I would like to know the proposed cost of cleaning, building, policing, etc. your front yard and how that would be a good use of the tax levy on my store when I'm located at Armitage and Damen. Especially if it comes at the expense of services that have benefited my business directly---our sidewalks look good from the washing.
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Robb the neighbor at 10:32 AM on 7/22/2008
I live right next door to Zig and The Chopin Theatre.
This story stems with laughable irony! While they wish to clean up their proverbial front yard and gain publicity they never seem to give a rats ass about the alley behind their building. Many times there is so much recyclable waste from sets and the like just thrown around the alley that it is sometimes impassable by car or bike! Their property line is littered with broken glass, trash, poop and over grown weeds. Some of it is basic property maintenance with a urban take! I take it upon myself to go out there and clean the guardrail and sweep up the broken glass, burrito wrappers and dry wall screws, as does a few other residents from our small block, but Zig is teetering on the steep cliff of hypocrisy! I see his tenants spray painting (which has over-sprayed onto my car and property before), building things and destroying the public way all while holding this "holier than thou, I'm a artist / theatre practitioner and I'm better than you" ethic. I too make my living in the performing arts and hate that mantra. I spend much time looking out over the triangle and the few posters here that have mentioned safety? I think you are as safe as anywhere else in this city! There are harmless high school kids goofing off and bums that have not had a meal in weeks that are so weak they couldn't inflict and pain if they tried. The tired argument of "anything new is bad" is silly, but the stem of retail that caters to people that don't live here (but are moving in) is not the way to go either. Going are the families that made this place great, in comes the crowd that is self centered or too young to have a sense of community just yet. I also laugh at those that enjoy the "diversity" of this place, because if you don't get here soon, you will enjoy the racial diversity of a north shore gated community.
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