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All the Pretty Carnage

Remorseless murder isn’t all there is to No Country for Old Men, but it’s all anyone seems to care about.

No Country for Old Men | Written and Directed by Ethan and Joel Coen

No Country for Old Men

No Country for Old Men

Opens Fri 11/9 at multiple venues

November 8, 2007

The first thing we demand of a wall is that it shall stand up. If it stands up, it is a good wall, and the question of what purpose it serves is separable from that. And yet even the best wall in the world deserves to be pulled down if it surrounds a concentration camp. —George Orwell

I tend to get flustered when people ask me what I look for in movies, so I’m wary of theorizing too much about what other people want from them. Moviegoers generally seem to fall into one of two categories: those looking for experiences similar to ones they’ve already had and those looking for experiences that are new. Though I’m usually among the latter, I’m sometimes curious about why people return to certain pleasures, especially when I don’t share their taste.

One reason I tend to dislike movies about psycho killers is that I can’t respond to them with the devotion I feel is expected of me. I’m too distracted by the abundance of these characters on-screen when they rarely appear in real life, and by how popular they seem to become whenever we’re fighting a war. What is it about them that people find so exciting? Reviewing The Silence of the Lambs over 16 years ago, I was troubled by the way the thriller tapped into “irrational, mythical impulses that ultimately seem more theological than psychological,” and how critics who loved it seemed “better equipped to regurgitate the myth than to analyze it.”

I was especially bemused by the ready acceptance of Hannibal Lecter’s supernatural powers—his ability to convince a hostile prisoner in an adjoining cell to swallow his own tongue, for instance, or to know precisely when and where to reach Clarice, the movie’s heroine, on the phone. Anthony Hopkins’s Oscar-winning performance may be stark and commanding, but it wouldn’t have counted for beans if the audience hadn’t already been predisposed to accept this murderer as some sort of divine presence.

The waves of love that went out to Lecter, epitomized by the five top Oscars the movie received in 1992, were a mix of giggly fascination, twisted affection, and outright awe for his absolute lack of remorse. This was during the first gulf war, a time when we were grappling with our own feelings about killing masses of people on a daily basis. I suspect Lecter represented a savior of sorts, a saintlike holy psycho who made us feel less uneasy about wanton slaughter.

We may not feel the same kind of affection for the real psycho killers in our midst, but they do inspire similar fear, fascination, and mythologizing. Seung-Hui Cho was clearly crazy when he slaughtered 32 people at Virginia Tech last April, but he was also smart enough to know there was no question that if he sent a media kit off to the national press they’d use it. He might have had more power to get himself onto the cover of Newsweek than the editors would have had if they’d wanted to keep him off.

No Country for Old Men premiered at Cannes in May and was widely heralded as the festival’s most sensational entry. When I saw it for the first time at the Toronto film festival in September, the only movie that gave it any competition in the popularity contest was Lars and the Real Girl. Adapted from what is generally considered a minor Cormac McCarthy novel, No Country for Old Men is a very well-made genre exercise, but I can’t understand why it’s been accorded so much importance, unless it’s because it strokes some ideological impulse.

Much the same could be said of Lars and the Real Girl, a fantasy about communal life in a small town that the Reader’s J.R. Jones has aptly described as “Capraesque,” not to mention an evasive (and no less endearing) glossing over of disturbed sexuality (astutely unpacked in the New York Times by Manohla Dargis). As someone who grew up in a small town, I could certainly detect the falsity of the film’s premise—that everybody cares about everybody else, fuckups included—while at the same time admiring the skill of the actors in putting it across. As for its popularity, I can only guess that it must be rooted in the rosy, highly sentimentalized picture it offers of human nature.

The picture of human nature in No Country for Old Men is by contrast so bleak I wonder if it must provide for some a reassuring explanation for our defeatism and apathy in the face of atrocity. I admire the creativity and storytelling craft of the Coen brothers, but I can’t for the life of me figure out what use they think they’re putting that creativity and craft to. As I left the screening in Toronto, all I could think was, “America sure loves its mass murderers.” That conclusion was ratified by a line in the New York film festival’s blurb for the movie: “Wearing an unforgettably frightening pageboy and toting a cattle stun gun that’ll haunt your nightmares, Javier Bardem is Anton Chigurh, a psychopathic assassin of the highest order whose detachment is as shocking as the carnage photographed so gorgeously by DP Roger Deakins.”

I hasten to add there’s more to this grim, ambitious movie than a psychopathic assassin of the highest order whose carnage is gorgeously shot, though I seriously doubt it would be garnering so much enthusiasm without such perks. The intricate plot, set in rural Texas, involves three characters chasing after Llewelyn Moss (Josh Brolin), a lovable salt-of-the-earth type who stumbles upon $2 million and a mess of dead bodies in the wake of a blown drug deal in the desert. There’s the narrator, Ed Tom Bell (Tommy Lee Jones), a melancholy sheriff nearing retirement who investigates the murders. There’s Chigurh, an associate of the drug dealers who’s bent on recovering the money and totally unconcerned with how many innocent people he wipes out in the process. (Recalling some of the stylish moves that made Pulp Fiction such a hit, he idly tortures some of his victims with arcane mind games before shooting them.) And finally there’s Carson Wells (Woody Harrelson), a hired gun who offers some comic relief.

This grisly thriller qualifies in some ways as a remake of the Coens’ Fargo, with Bell and Moss jointly taking over the role of Frances McDormand’s pregnant sheriff. Bell is the film’s moral center, the law in the midst of greed and senseless death. Moss, already marked by his relative indifference to the suffering of a dying Mexican in the opening sequence, becomes lovable only during his affectionate banter with his wife, Carla Jean (Kelly Macdonald). He’s the character we’re supposed to identify with, especially when he’s trying to match wits with the psycho killer.

In the past, the Coens have gotten a lot of mileage out of ridiculing most country folk for their stupidity while singling out a chosen few for admiration. But here, in deference to the source material, the condescension is toned down considerably. They show off their narrative expertise by converting some of the sheriff’s plaintive monologues into terse dialogue and even more in the way they juxtapose the separate movements of Moss and Chigurh, sketching out a suspenseful cat-and-mouse game with some of the primal impact of silent pictures.

What gives all of this a special kick is the way the killer commits murder without so much as a twitch, behavior we’re clearly expected to regard with a certain amount of awe. Chigurh isn’t an intellectual like Hannibal Lecter, and he lacks his cosmopolitan sense of humor, but he slays many more innocent people. And except for a stray line toward the end of the film, when he briefly alludes to his own birth being occasioned by blind chance, there isn’t a trace of psychological speculation about what makes him tick—only a passing remark by Carson Wells that he operates according to a twisted moral code of his own.

Early in the film (and in the novel), Sheriff Bell recalls arresting a boy who killed a 14-year-old girl. Some people described it as a crime of passion, but Bell says the boy had wanted to kill someone for as long as he could remember, that he knew he was going to hell, and that he would kill again if he could. The story brings to mind the Misfit, a character in Flannery O’Connor’s “A Good Man Is Hard to Find” who randomly wipes out an entire family in a comparable act of nihilistic desperation.

In O’Connor’s vision, perfectly captured in a mere 16 pages, the Misfit is an emblem of religious despair, but in the less considered genre mechanics of Cormac McCarthy and the Coens, religious despair is nothing more than an alibi for violence. It’s invoked as a way of covering all the bases, tapping into fundamentalist fatalism without really buying into it. Bell’s wounded sense of morality in the face of so much bloodshed frames the action, but one reason why I suspect some critics reject this device while embracing everything else is that they intuit how little conviction the Coens bring to it.

There’s a certain cleverness in the way the Coens, after piling on the corpses in the opening sequences, elide some of Chigurh’s actual murders toward the end, flattering the audience by suggesting they’re sophisticated enough to imagine the gorgeous carnage all by themselves. They even manage to acknowledge briefly the relevance of all this mayhem to the present occupation of Iraq (albeit somewhat anachronistically, as the action is set in 1980). At one point, Bell ruefully reflects to a colleague, “It’s just all-out war—there isn’t any other word for it,” and goes on to comment about the sad times we’re living in, when some people even resort to senseless torture, making particular allusion to Abu Ghraib by mentioning a torturer placing a dog collar around the neck of one of his victims.

But just because the Coens are hip enough to know the contemporary audience they’re addressing doesn’t mean they have anything to say we don’t already know, about Abu Ghraib or anything else. What I suspect they’re really offering us is a convenient cop-out: we can allow dog collars to be used even while we hypocritically shake our heads at the sadness of it all.   

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PJ Atkinson at 9:06 AM on 11/9/2007

I always find your reviews of interest Mr Rosenbaum, I would take issue with your analysis of the Misfit's actions in Flannery O’Connor’s exemplary "A Good Man Is Hard to Find". You write that he "randomly wipes out an entire family in a comparable act of nihilistic desperation" However there is nothing random in the family's murders, indeed they are the entirely rational acts of a group of career criminals. Whilst the meeting of the two parties' cars is a random event (though one whose inevitability provides the thrust in the first half of the story) the decision to kill the entire family is motivated by the "professionalism" of the criminals to whom murder is part of their chosen vocation

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Jonathan at 10:00 AM on 11/9/2007

Party politics over aesthetics, over philosophy... Over everything.

Same old Rosenbaum.

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Dcrich at 12:18 PM on 11/9/2007

Or you could worry less about what response is expected of you and just respond to the movie directly. This sort of meta-stance is pompous and grating.

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Jon C. at 12:37 PM on 11/9/2007

Of course we're supposed to regard Chigurh with a certain amount of awe. His very name suggests (quite literally) the unspeakable. I think this works better in the novel, where Chigurh's actions are to me one of a piece with his glyphic name; this evil only exists on the page, in our heads. (Though you may well be right about religious despair serving as an alibi.) Might onscreen embodiment itself be the problem here, however potent Bardem's acting and the Coens' technique? On the other hand, maybe technique's at fault, in which case I wonder if the film would've been more effective were the carnage less, as you put it, "gorgeous." I'm thinking particularly of "Dead Man," where the sloppiness of rather sensational violence forces a consideration of our response to screen violence in general - something wholly foreign to the Coens' films.

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CW at 1:04 PM on 11/9/2007

This isn't a blog, why are there comments? Write a letter to the editor if you disagree; I'd prefer to see R's reasoned, structured essays alone, without the stain of whatever yokel wants to call out from the shooting gallery.

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Rick at 1:33 PM on 11/9/2007

Hey CW, anyone ever call you a hypocrite?

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Zexa at 1:51 PM on 11/9/2007

Rosie- Maybe you would have less trouble understanding audiences if you actually understood something about human beings instead of hiding behind ideology all the time, it's kinda sad.

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Mike Goetz at 2:15 PM on 11/9/2007

This review seems a bit histrionic. Who would have believed a Coen brothers movie merited a denunciatory Orwell quote on concentration camps?

On top of this, a very partially-baked diagnosis of psycho killers as society's symbolic personification of its lust for war. And the Coens are supposed to be the ones condescending to the audience?

What I saw was a very tense, well-made, entertaining B-thriller. I didn't realize that made me a war criminal.

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Anthony Paley at 3:44 PM on 11/9/2007

I very much agree with CW. I actually saw No Country For Old Men at the London Film Festival last week (where it was the "surprise" movie). I have views on the film — I have not been affected by a movie as much for a very long time — but would rather see Jonathan Rosenbaum's review unadorned by readers' comments. I don't think it's hypocritical to say that on the actual page here and post it as part of this blog. I would hope the arts editor, or whoever is repsonsible for the adding of comments, gets the message and doesn't have them there in future.

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DAL at 4:49 PM on 11/9/2007

God forbid that anyone actually criticize the Coen Brothers or discuss them in relation to things happening outside of a movie theater. Sarkozy is remaking France as America; must we make America more like France?

Thanks, JR, for another thoughtful analysis that doesn't let your readers off the hook. And I agree we can do without the comments on the long reviews, mine included.

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Jonathan at 5:21 PM on 11/9/2007

1. The single star doesn't at all seem to match the content of the review; unless Rosenbaum really does care as little about aesthetics as he often seems to. I assume he's exalting in his imaginary authority by scoring the film down.

2. Stuart Klawans has already written this review, in a purer and more comically overwrought form. It's his Wild at Heart review, included in a "best of The Nation" book. He too makes the point that many films are awfully upsetting, and that it's naughty to upset him. See also Roger Ebert's Blue Velvet review, another classic of the I-was-totally-within-its-grips-but-no-no-no
it-is-wicked-I-tell-you genre.

3. I can't wait until there are not two, but twenty comments from commenters saying they disapprove of commenting. I hope the additional ones stay in line with the dainty, prim tone of the intial ones. And I hope none of you boys spill your champagne while you're deigning to fraternize with the polity.

4. I haven't seen this film yet, but it looks to be a powerful and bracing experience. Those have been rather popular since around the time of Sophocles, you know.

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Movicus Fanisius at 5:46 PM on 11/9/2007

Jonathan Rosenbaum says he looks for something new in movies, but aren’t the kind of ‘new’ movies that he prefers old hat already? There is nothing substantially new about much of Art Film. Usually, they simply eschew ‘conventional’ narrative. Old or new what really matters is ‘does it work?’
A movie with insufferable and pointless long takes may be ‘new’ or ‘different’ but is it any good simply because it’s ‘new’? Too often, I think no-talents hide behind avant-gardism. How many Art Film directors today are really on the level of true geniuses like Bresson, Resnais, Bergman, or Teshigahara? Instead, they’ve just conformed to the label of the ‘new’ or ‘radical’. It’s not wonder that so many of these films tend to all look alike at film festivals—usually non-acting, long takes, severity, sparse use of music and sound. This is New than new—a brand. Also, it would be nice if Rosenbaum embraced the new in film criticism as much as he pretends to in film. He’s been rehashing the same aesthetic and political points over and over. Still, he’s still more interesting than 99% of critics out there.

Jonathan Rosenbaum says he doesn’t like the psycho-killer genre. I agree. They are usually sensationalistic and gory. The subject is disturbing but the treatment is almost always trashy. Silence of the Lambs is a prime example—well made in every department but trashy in every way. There are only a few exceptions to the rule: From the Life of Marionettes by Bergman and Vengeance is Mine by Imamura. And, in a way, High and Low by Kurosawa though the prime emphasis is on law-and-order. Otherwise, with the exception of Psycho, most psycho-killer movies are morally offensive. Still, I wonder why sensitive Rosenbaum likes other kinds of horror films which are gorier? Is it because Psycho-killer films tap into the ‘conservative’ soul while, say, flesh eating zombie films are leftwing allegories about capitalism?

Rosenbaum wonders why people really dug Hannibal Lecter. This is an interesting question. Was it because Lecter is a psycho-killer? Or, was it because he is superhuman? Are they one and the same? In Silence of the Lambs, there are two psycho-killers. There is Lecter and the man Lecter helps Clarice capture/destroy. We don’t feel any love for the homosexual psycho-killer, so the audience was not primarily admiring of a mad killer. We wanted Clarice to stop his murders. But, why then did we love Lecter—personally, I didn’t. It’s because there is a Nietzschean in all of us. Most of us are normal people bound by normal morality. But, we often admire the man who’s great enough to go beyond limits of normal conscience. This was the theme of Crime and Punishment, and it is the practice of Silence of the Lambs. Because Lecter is so superior to us, it makes question the meaning of ‘psycho-killer’ After all, if lambs could think, they’d see us as murderers. But, we don’t think eating lambs is immoral or murderous. We are superior to lambs—and cows and pigs—so we don’t feel bad about eating them. If indeed, the fictional Lecter has an IQ of 250 or higher, may he not be more evolved than we are? Wouldn’t he see us as we see lambs. From his angle, killing us for food is not immoral. It would be like a human killing a monkey for meat—prevalent around the world. In a way, this was the also the theme of Blade Runner. The replicants are superior to us. Batty even beats his maker Tyrell at chess. Their moral sense is different from ours. Batty is a sort of a psycho-killer, but one who Rosenbaum sympathizes with because Batty can be seen as a slave-rebel. But, there is an irony because Batty is cyb-organically our masters. If his kind take over the planet, we are sure to be their slaves.
The audience relishes tension and suspence, and Lecter provides it because he’s both evil and maybe beyond good & evil. He is the darker version of the Star Child in 2001. He is more like Dr. Strangelove. In entertainment(and religion), people like both the notion of a superior man loving and helping us—Jesus Christ, Star Child, Jedi Knights—the notion of a superior creature destroying and wiping us out—Satan, Terminator, etc.
What’s interesting about Lecter is he embodies both extremes. On the one hand, he’s a superior man who kills/eats us. But, he’s also the superior man who helps us stop an even worse killer. There is a similar appeal in the character of Yojimbo and the Man with No Name—cold-blooded killers who sometimes kill worse guys to help us. Or, consider the appeal of the Godfather I, II, and III. The Corleone family may be hoodlums, but they are not as bad as some of the other guys. Vito initially refuses to deal in drugs. Michael joins the side of good to fight evil guys in Godfather III. And, now there is the movie American Gangster by Ridley Scott where some black gangster is seen both as a ruthless hoodlum and a role model for black people. And the list goes on and on. Consider Godzilla started out as a bad guy but in sequels became the not-so-bad monster who fought and destroyed much worse monsters.
It’s interesting that Rosenbaum should mention the first Gulf War since Hussein’s reputation also changed in the West. During the Iran-Iraq war, he was the secular leader holding back the tide of Islamic Fundamentalism. If he wasn’t exactly a good guy, he was a useful not-so-bad guy. But, when he invaded Kuwait, he became worse than Hitler. And, it’s interesting that Hussein’s main role model was Stalin who similarly underwent transformation in the West. He was an evil communist; then he became Uncle Joe during WWII, and then an evil communist again during the Cold War.
Maybe our fascination with ambiguous powerful bad guys is due to our sense of weakness. Little in the world is totally good vs totally bad. Also, totally good is often powerless. So, often we have to rely on the powerful bad to counterbalance the even worse. The free world needed Stalin to defeat Hitler(of course, at one time, the Free World thought it needed Hitler to counterbalance the gtowing power of Stalinism).
The appeal of Hannibal Lecter, Yojimbo, Godzilla, and the Corleones fits into this mold. They are bad but they are powerful and awesome in a way. And it’s better to have them on our side if there are bigger dangers lurking. Sicilians knew that the Mafia are criminals, but in a corrupt world, it was better to be on good terms with YOUR mafia boss as protection from other mafia bosses or worse.

Rosenbaum says Americans love their mass murderers. Does he mean Americans like to watch movies about mass murderers or really like mass murderers? Big difference.
Also, what are we to deduce from audience preferences. Americans also love comedy, romance, and the like. So, are Americans schizo? I think Americans simply love fun movies. So does the rest of the world. I’ll bet this movie will do better in Europe than in the US. Are Europeans also in love with mass murderers? (by the way, there is a difference between a serial killer and a mass murderer. Hitler was a mass murderer. Gacy was a serial killer).
More importantly, isn’t Rosenbaum being a bit puritanical? Would it be better if American censors banned movies about psycho-killers or other disturbing subjects. Surely, the films of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were not as violent, sensationalistc, crass, extreme, and even outrageous as some of our movies. Yet, it was Nazi Germany that carried out the Holocaust. It was the Soviet Union that killed millions. The art of Nazi Germany and Soviet Union presented idyllic images of their nations and peoples. The reality was something very different. It’s funny but Rosenbaum’s review of this movie is rather like a long rant about the dangers of Degenerate Art.

This isn’t to imply that this movie—which I haven’t seen—is good for us. But, people are naturally drawn to extreme topics and subjects—in violence, beauty, humor, excitement and thrill—than to the usual humdrum. Fine artists can turn humdrum into poetry—think of Rohmer or Ozu. But, generally, we want murder, intrigue, madness, violence, etc.
Rashomon wouldn’t be fun without the murder. War movies are more fun than peace movies about soldiers hanging around the barracks with nothing to do. We like rock music because it’s loud. Also, we have this not-always-healthy attitude that Superior people must live by their own rules. Our rules don’t apply to them. This is why a lot of Rappers are revered as prophets. It doesn’t matter that they are thugs. They are poet-prophets of mayhem so everything is allowed. Or, consider all the destructive behavior—towards others and to themselves—of rock stars, movie actors, artists, jazz musicians, etc. By normal standards, people like Sam Peckinpah, Miles Davis, John Lennon, and Keith Richards were pretty awful people. But, we see them as god-poets of popular entertainment. We forgive all their trespasses. We even celebrate their trespasses as part and parcel of greatness. Would it make sense to denounce King Kong for stepping on a few cars—especially if they are not ours.

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Derek at 5:46 PM on 11/9/2007

It may seem kind of quaint, but I am a firm believer in "art for art's sake". I am less concerned with what the moral message in a movie may or may not be than I am with the craftsmanship that goes into the making of it. By most accounts I've read, this seems to be a very well-crafted film, and I'm looking forward to seeing it this weekend.

I would just like to add that I do appreciate Rosenbaum's thoughtful critique.

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DAL at 6:01 PM on 11/9/2007

War is also a "powerful and bracing experience" for some and has been around since before Sophocles. If you looked at the poster for this film accompanying Pat Graham's blog and didn't know what the film was about, it's not too difficult to see the outlines of a soldier against the background of -- what? The embodiment of Norman Podhoretz's Islamofascism?

At least JR is attempting to understand and analyze why people are going bananas over this film rather than making ad hominem comments that are in line with the the kind of cop-out his review is criticizing.

And that's not champagne, my friend; it's Kentucky straight bourbon.

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Movicus Fanisius at 6:07 PM on 11/9/2007

Look, Rosenbaum isn't saying Coen brothers should be banned from moving making. And, critics of Rosenbaum aren't saying he shouldn't have the right to write whatever. They are simply disagreeing with Rosenbaum and stating their views.
We arrive at truth--whatever it may be--thru dialectics. Rosenbaum attacks Coens, and we attack Rosenbaum. Hopefully, Rosenbaum attacks us back. If Rosenbaum only agreed with the Coens and if we only agreed with Rosenbaum, there would be no point.

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Movicus Fanisius at 6:08 PM on 11/9/2007

Is that Charlie Watts on the picture?

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CMS at 6:11 PM on 11/9/2007

The film remains loyal to the novel, and both works take pains to place the story's action in history, or rather within an historical vision of life as precarious and potentially violent, where killers such as Chigurh vainly identify themselves with an indifferent world playing at furies or persecutory fates, and others, such as the young wife insisting that we do have a choice about our actions. This is an old-fashioned morality tale. The reference to "dog-collars" and to 'all out war" are not contemporary references to Iraq but references to the fact that torture and war have persisted across history. This is the point of the scene between the Sheriff and his father, the "Old Men" of the title. Such a brilliant masterpiece of moral vision, confronting us with the stakes of this life, perhaps blinds those whose narrow focus beads in upon current events and judges merely according to ideological fashion or (the same thing) aesthetic taste. A better quote than Orwell comes from Cormac McCarthy's own meditation on walls, THE STONEMASON, in which laying stones may be compared to the morality of the creative process "He says that to a man who's never laid a stone that there's nothing you can tell him. Even the truth would be wrong."

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binkieandmarcel at 6:22 PM on 11/9/2007

It's hard to miss the place where Rosenbaum's review ends and the comments begin. Readers who don't like the comments can therefore avoid them if they wish, as I certainly will do in future. Meanwhile, not having a life, and having already invested this much of my obviously undervalued free time, I can't just surf on without adding my bit of ego to the general spleen, hypocrite lecteur that I am. As I said, I disagree with those who would suppress the comments section because they don't want to read it; no reason to deprive everybody else of their fun because you lack self-control. However, if Jonathan Rosenbaum is required as part of his job to read these comments, then I vote to get rid of them. I can't believe he's paid enough to put up with lazy argument (his review is all "ideology," it has no "philosophy") and petty attempts to wound him ("Same old Rosenbaum," "kinda sad"). Unlike the rest of us, he really does have more important things to do.

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CMS at 6:24 PM on 11/9/2007

The scene with the grandmother certainly recalled for me O'Connor's "Misfits," but something I had not fully appreciated from reading the novel was that the wife probably spent all of the money by the time Chigurh arrives because she had to pay all of her mother's medical bills. Chigurh might be more dangerous than "bubonic plague" but cancer gets the $2 million. Also, perhaps Chigurh's haircut recalls that other great monster of cinema Olivier's Richard III.

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reebie at 6:34 PM on 11/9/2007

In a big town like Chicago, why can't we get a decent film critic who understands what a film critic's role is? Is the movie well-acted, casted, directed, how is the cinematography, editing, screenplay, etc? To blather on about your views on the morals of American filmgoers, serial killers, etc. whilst trying to impress with your lit namedropping is a the job of a self serving bore. I don't really get anything about the level of the craft in the film here - just the level of your own conceit.
I am glad readers can respond to this crap. It is the only honest part of this review section.
What a bunch of miserable excuses for newspapers we have in this town!

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scooby at 6:43 PM on 11/9/2007

This isn't a review, it's a term paper. Does the reader have an "editor" ? Some one what who actually "edits"? JR is out of control. Just get to the movie.

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Movicus Fanisius at 6:49 PM on 11/9/2007

Reebie, I know what you mean. But, thera are too many critics like that in Chicago whose main purpose is to tell us if the movie is well-made and worth seeing over the weekend.
Roger Ebert is that kind of critic. So is Wilmington and the other guy.
The problem with Rosenbaum isn't his different angle. It's his personality which is all too self-righteous and contemptuous.

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ligeti42 at 12:18 AM on 11/10/2007

I say GOOD that JR raises questions, doesn't feed us the standard line, gives us his heterodox views backed by a life devoted to understanding film and its cultural context. JR has long since earned his place as a film critic, and a damn fine one at that -- if that makes you hyperventilate, GOOD.

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Johnny at 1:44 AM on 11/10/2007

I always loved the Roadrunner cartoons. Wiley Coyote was killed in so many clever ways that movies today are trying to duplicate. Murder was the premise of the Roadrunner cartoons and the start of outstandingly clever ways to accomplish senseless murder. This movie is a remake of the Roadrunner cartoons only using fictional cartoon-like human beings.

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tem at 1:54 AM on 11/10/2007

to say that Ebert is a critic whose "main purpose is to tell us if the movie is well made and worth seeing over the weekend" is as ridiculous as MF's "look at me !" attention-whoring essay. And Wilmington doesn't even have a job anymore.

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Jonathan at 4:24 AM on 11/10/2007

"If you looked at the poster for this film accompanying Pat Graham's blog and didn't know what the film was about, it's not too difficult to see the outlines of a soldier against the background of -- what? The embodiment of Norman Podhoretz's Islamofascism?"

Oh my lord.

I'm reminded of Steve Almond's recent attack on Gawker. They'd made fun of him, so he called them right wing on the Huffington Post. This is how liberals in the arts deal with so much of the world. But guess what: Accusing everything you dislike of being covertly right wing is an excellent way of avoiding the introspection and analysis that would reveal why you really dislike it. It's an excellent way of being pathetically dishonest.

Rosenbaum is the Michael Medved of the left. Nothing more. And his fans seem to be the cinematic ditto-heads of the left.

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Jon C. at 2:19 PM on 11/10/2007

Jonathan: Thanks for informing me that, as an admirer of JR’s work, I'm not just any cinematic ditto-head, but a ditto-head "of the left"—surely the worst kind. I'd appreciate it, however, if you directed your umbrage at my previous post, which nobody else has taken issue with, and which happens to concern the aesthetics you find so sorely lacking in JR's review. (They’re there.) His is a demanding piece, and some of us would like to use this space to generate a thoughtful discussion free of name-calling and sighs of superior wisdom – whether or not we think JR succumbs as well.

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gem2 at 4:13 PM on 11/10/2007

i cannot understand the impassioned outrage at Rosenbaum's right to express an opinion about a movie. his reviews spark debate and dialogue. if you want a simple consumer critic, a Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down-type of review, then read the hundreds of other flacks out there who hawk studio products. Rosenbaum takes films seriously, apparently too seriously for the anti-intellectuals out there.

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DAL at 4:16 PM on 11/10/2007

To Jonathan (not Rosenbaum): Irony and rational argument don't seem to do as much for you as name-calling (one prominent generic convention of the blathersphere), but here's an additional effort to spell some things out:

1. One thing JR is doing in his review is attempting to analyze how audience responses to this film may relate to the war in Iraq. Clearly, a number of commenters on this post have problems with that, for a variety of reasons (e.g., they expect a simple 'thumbs up/thumbs down' response from a movie critic, they think works of art transcend politics, they don't like JR's politics, or they seem to bear some kind of personal grudge against JR himself).

If you can name one critic in this country outside of academia, whether from the left, right, center or any other political position, engaging in this kind of analysis, please let me know. In my opinion, we could use more intelligent and intelligble, non-jargon-laden discussion of movies to help keep us honest and introspective (two things you claim to value).

2. You can look at the poster for this movie and see any number of things -- Darth Vader, Charlie Watts or -- since the Coen Brothers are involved -- Mickey Mouse. The unspoken point is that mass-market movies like this one are designed to appeal to people of diverse backgrounds and are bound to have multiple and contradictory meanings, depending on who the audience is.

My point is that JR's choice of the war in Iraq as one topic for discussion is a valid one. Is it or should it be the ONLY one? Of course not; other commenters have made some insightful observations about other aspects of this film and the novel it is based on, as does JR himself in his review.

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Movicus Fanisius at 5:11 PM on 11/10/2007

Hey Gem, nobody is disputing Rosenbaum's RIGHT to express his views. The fact is that Rosenbaums' views tend to be aggressive, mean-spirited, and judgmental. So, people are replying in kind. Rosenbaum loves to bitchslap moviemakers and us dummies who 'love mass murderers'.
If Rosenbaum has integrity, he surely appreciates those who confront him in a like manner than those who sheepishly agree with everything he's says. Of course, he could be a radical--an ideologue without any integrity and without any tolerance of views different than his own.

I have nothing against Rosenbaum's dissenting or oppositional views. The problem is he's been pulling the same Schtick for over 30 yrs--finding something distateful in American movies and identifying it as the symptoms of OUR sickness. WE americans are sick. WE are morons. WE elect mass murderers like Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, and Bush. I suppose we should be led by Chomsky and Michael Moore instead.

Also, Rosenbaum falls short as a critic because he's unable to look squarely at himself or to examine/question his own certitudes and beliefs.
He never evolves or grows because of his inflated sense of self-importance. Never mind that the political leaders that Rosenbaum has supported were much greater mass murderers and oppressors than American presidents. Never mind that his beloved Revolutionary Masses committed far more mass killings than you or me. None of that impresses Rosenbaum. He's right because he's right.

Perhaps, Rosenbaum hates the latest Coen movie because its ugliness reflects not OUR ugliness but his own. Rosenbaum supported and apologized for regimes that really carried out mass murders in the tens of millions. Yet, he's completely blind to HIS OWN history. We may like 'mass murderers' on the screen, but Rosenbaum likes them in politics--as long as the mass murders are in the name of radical progress.

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Movicus Fanisius at 5:23 PM on 11/10/2007

Hey Dal, you say Rosenbaum's discussion of the Iraq War is a valid one. Well, maybe it's interesting but isn't it something of a stretch--as when Rosenbaum fumed about American imperialism when reviewing Pretty Woman?!?

The more important question is did the Coens have Bush and Iraq War in mind? If so, I guess you're right. But, Rosenbaum all too arbitrarily uses movie reviewing as an excuse to write political columns or editorials. I mean much of his review has NOTHING to do with the movie. He's merely using the movie as a pretext to insult Americans. Indeed, his review of this movie could have been about any other violent American movie. Just take out NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN from the review and replace it with Terminator, Carlito's Way, or whatever.
Rosenbaum's attitude is that he's too good to review THIS kind of movie so he won't even bother. Instead, he will use the movie as a platform to score polemical points.

Also, would you defend Michael Medved if he reviewed this movie in a similar manner--where he tried to equate our love of serial killers with liberal moral relativism, leftwing enchantment with communist dictatorships, and the like? I think you would call Medved a hysterical, delirious, tiresome, self-rightous prick.

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Jonathan at 5:51 PM on 11/10/2007

You're right, Jon C. Rosenbaum alludes to the film's aesthetic value. And he makes it clear that he doesn't much care. I think he made that point clearly; I think I made that point clearly; I think everyone here expressing distaste for the review agrees that he made it clearly. It's exactly what puts us off. And we think his attaching his discomfort with the film to the foreign policy debacle of the moment is both desperate and, for him, painfully predictable.

Did I call someone names? I wrote "ditto heads" because I'm bothered by leftists who are as uniform and philistine as their right wing counterparts, but who believe that being of the left immunizes them from either of those criticisms.

I'm sorry I didn't address certain amazing points that you say you made in your own earlier post--the one you imply we're all fearfully avoiding. I'll read it a few more times. I'm sure they're in there somewhere.

The issue with those of you attacking the attacks on the review seems to be that you can't accept that some of us followed his piece perfectly, and yet we don't find it in the least "demanding." We feel we've read it, from him, a thousand times. It's not us who are being condescending, as I see it. But to be condescending myself for a moment, I do suspect I've been reading JR longer than you have. I was there when he was on about globalization every week for two years. I was there when he was doing his part to advance tired buzzwords like "subversive" and "transgressive." I'll say it again: he's the Michael Medved of the left. No humor, no independence, no stylistic flair whatsoever. He's brighter than 99% of film critics, but it's been a long time since that was saying much.

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gem2 at 6:00 PM on 11/10/2007

hey Movicus whatever,

talk about being "hysterical, delirious, tiresome and self-righteous." just read the miles and miles of your posting, hyperventilating over Rosenbaum's politics.

a question; what's wrong with reviewing a film within the cultural context it was made? wouldn't it be fair to discuss, say, HIGH NOON, within the historical context of the McCarthy witchhunts and the Hollywood blacklists and the filmmakers own role in it?

another question: what's wrong with having a political point of view?

as far as your silly comparison to Michael Medved, he's a partisan hack. he's spoken for conservative organizations, attended dinners with Bush and works for right-wing causes. Rosenbaum speaks for himself. he's also quite open about his prejudices; just read his favorable review of MONSTER'S BALL, a stupid liberal/racist movie as far as i'm concerned.

your hatred of Rosenbaum is indeed personal. some teacher must have called you stupid of something, but please, for the sake of those who love and enjoy discussing film, take your baggage to a therapist.

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Julian at 6:47 PM on 11/10/2007

Mr Rosenbaum
I've always found the Coen brothers' films preposterous and smug, but I don't understand at all your objection to OLD MEN, that you can't see what "use" their putting all their "creativity and craft" to. When was it that films became---in any sense at all---useful?

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gem2 at 8:44 PM on 11/10/2007

a clarification (if anyone's even reading or cares): in my last post, i commended Rosenbaum for being "open about his prejudices" and sited his favorable review of MONSTER'S BALL, which i called "liberal and racist." i didn't mean to imply that Rosenbaum's prejudices are racist, far from it, but rather that his bias is for feel-good liberal movies, like the one MONSTER'S BALL purports to be. i just disagree with him, for what its worth.

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Angelo at 9:16 PM on 11/10/2007

Wow. What a bunch of haters.

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velda_mac at 9:45 PM on 11/10/2007

Maybe all the "haters" are just responding honestly to something valid that bothers them about this man's work. Unless Jonathan knows Rosie personally his comments can't be regarded as personal and I thought his comments were fair and do not sound hateful. Rather, I think there is something off-putting about Rosie's stance and that's what people are responding to. Defending his right to free speech and and turning this into a partisan argument (or getting "personal") does not address the problem that people have with him (which has clearly been stated many times by the detractors) but just recasts their arguments in a different light.

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j. at 11:06 PM on 11/10/2007

ALL VAIN DRIVEL!

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Danyul at 12:44 AM on 11/11/2007

Perhaps Mr. Rosenbaum should review the film or at least comment on the film's contents, especially, oh say, the last 20 minutes. It's a rare serial killer, crime, drug film that doesn't have a final a shoot-out. Instead, the film ends with a pondering: where are we headed. As you said... " As I left the screening in Toronto, all I could think was, "America sure loves its mass murderers."" And that's the point spot on. We are being consumed by murderers, and Anton Chigruh stands for that. He walks away and Ed Tom is in over his head. We've never seen anything like what's about to come. Why not commend the film for how it plays with genre instead of just talking about the failings of the crime genre?

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T.D. at 9:17 AM on 11/11/2007

DAL asked, "If you can name one critic in this country outside of academia, whether from the left, right, center or any other political position, engaging in this kind of analysis, please let me know."

Well, here is David Walsh on Kill Bill 2, with more principle, insight and clarity than Mr. Rosenbaum has been able to muster in some time:

Every social act has social consequences. Cinema is perhaps the most social of all the arts, by virtue both of the collective, cooperative nature of making films and the mass character of their distribution and exhibition. A film is an aggressive intrusion into the lives and thoughts of those who see it and therefore a factor in social life.

Every work in the cinema is ‘political’ and ‘polemical,’ i.e., it proposes a certain view of humanity—of its aspirations, its possibilities, its current social organization—and at the same time argues against others. An individual film may uncover or conceal important truths; it may demystify social reality or obscure it; it may encourage or help paralyze the viewer, enlighten or help disorient him or her.

And later:

Revenge as a central motif; the loose use of words like "kill"; approving references to sadism and torture—where could we be but in post-September 11 America, where bloody-mindedness has apparently become the stuff of polite dinner parties in Washington, New York and elsewhere? Tarantino thinks he’s behind the steering wheel, but every aspect of his work suggests that he’s being driven by powerful social forces.

The decayed state of American society is not the filmmaker’s fault. One senses that the disintegration of old institutions, the loosening of traditional affiliations, the economic dislocations, the violence and chaos of American life ... that all this sends Tarantino (and not only him) into a tizzy. The task of the artist, however, is to do something other than merely register these facts, much less "be playful" with them.

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Jon C. at 11:18 AM on 11/11/2007

Jonathan: I don't recall saying my points were "amazing" or that anyone was "fearfully avoiding them," only that "nobody has taken issue with them," which leads me to assume they're not totally off base. That doesn't mean they aren’t dull.

Saying you’re a longtime reader isn’t condescending, but goes a long way toward justifying your convictions. (I’ve been reading Rosenbaum’s work for about five years, as long as I've taken film seriously as an art form.) Still, I have a hard time imagining any writer grinding the anti-globalization ax for 100 weeks straight. And I don't think JR's politics emblemize an endlessly self-justifying and self-righteous ideology, leftist or not. You need to better justify the Medved analogy. How does someone who no longer writes reviews nor shows much interest in international cinema deserve comparison to a prolific writer and consistent champion of world film? And what on earth do you mean by "no independence"? From a personal ideology?

If you find him discordant, that’s one thing. The pejorative use of "hip" and such statements as "the waves of love that went out to Lecter…were a mix of giggly fascination, twisted affection, and outright awe for his absolute lack of remorse" leave a sour taste in my mouth. They evoke an Armond White screed. But both JR and White are interested in locating films within larger ideological currents. The heart of Medved’s reviews is merely whether a movie is worth your Saturday afternoon. Only the first approach asks readers to contemplate the medium.

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Casey Campbell at 1:35 PM on 11/11/2007

Talk about missing the point.

Hannibal Lecter is a cartoon character and I never understood his popularity.

No Country For Old Men shouldn't be compared to such silliness.

There's a lot more going on in the movie than the reviewer cared to see or mention. Or maybe he was too busy trying to analyze the audience's reaction to the movie and instead reviewed that in an attempt of elevating his own self worth?

He didn't review the movie, though. He makes allusions to how he read the novel and doesn't compare the two, and if he did he'd find the movie comes out looking quite strong as adaptations go. He didn't speak about any of the themes, such as the futility of everything and how the Sheriff felt at the end.

It's an incredibly engaging and great movie. There's a lot to digest about it. You're not supposed to think the killer is cool, he's supposed to make you feel dread (and what else could you feel in the scene with the gas station attendent?).

He missed the point. Everyone else seems to have missed the point and now people are getting into another political pissing contest. Awesome.

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DAL at 2:34 PM on 11/11/2007

To T.D.: I should have qualified my earlier point along the lines of "another critic in this country writing for a general audience in a mass-market publication" (or whatever an accurate description of the Reader and its readers might be).

Walsh writes intelligently and clearly but also comes across as prescriptive and somewhat doctrinaire. JR, by contrast, openly and deliberately adopts a first-person voice in his writing which, since he has an interesting and rather unique personal history with movies, makes such an approach worthwhile, even if it risks the kind of reactions found in this blog.

The broader point I was trying to make is that if we had anything approaching a genuine film culture in this country, writers like Walsh and JR (as well as critics from other political/aesthetic/etc. perspectives) would be the rule rather than the exception.

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Movicus Fanisius at 4:27 PM on 11/11/2007

There is nothing wrong with Rosenbaum having political views. Everyone has them. But, he is as much a partisan ideologue as Michael Medved. The only difference is the film community is dominated by his kind so he's among friends.
Also, there is the cult of boldness and new thinking in radicalism when, in fact, today's radicalism in art is stifling, bogus, dogmatic, politically correct, predictable, repetitive, and by-the-numbers. 'Radical' is as much a marketable brand name as any other. Sure, the veneer will continue to have its appeal for the dogmatic, the naive, and the pompous--and the wealthy who wanna play at being bohemians.

Of course, if the film community were dominated by the likes of Medved, it wouldn't be any better.
Anyway, Rosenbaum doesn't speak for himself. Everything he says is something he's picked up from Left Bank cafes in Paris--40 yrs ago!!. It goes by the name of 'progressive' but it's old-hat-60s-radicalism which has been totally discredited. Even Vietnam--the Marxist hope--is turning capitalist, pro-market, and pro-American. So much for the promise of radical socialism. The future belongs to welfare capitalism and social-democraticism--both 'bourgeois' systems. It certainly doesn't belong to Marxism and the like. Now, Rosenbaum is not a communist, but he's a spiritual Marxist. He has a need for Old Time religion and so falls back on radical flagwaving and Hallelujahs.

The important thing is a critic must not put ideology before philosophy. Just as a christian mustn't let his religion get in the way of his secular profession, a critic should be wary of his hardline ideology. Of course, we all have them. But, art is about exploration and examination. So is criticism. This is why an artist will often try to empathize with and understand other people, values, cultures, and positions he disagrees with or even loathes. He must try to understand before he condemns. (This is why Ron Rosenbaum's EXPLAINING HITLER is a great book. Ron at least tries to understand the monster. Understanding is not the same as endorsing). Ideology often prevents us from understanding. It makes us feel secure morally, which is why we often rely on them. After all, many of us would prefer NOT to understand why an 'evil' person--or the enemy-- does what he does. We would rather just condemn his 'evil'. But, many people who are 'evil' or wrong--in our eyes--have their own sense of right and wrong, rage and justice. This is why Batty of Blade Runner is both a villain and a hero. With that movie, Rosenbaum was in the philosophical mode. But, too often, it's as though Rosenbaum is afraid to understand the Other Side, especially if that Other Side is American or pro-American(rather absurd in review of a Coen Brothers movie. Coens are arch-liberals! And, for all we know, they may have made this movie as a harsh critique of America). So, Rosenbaum sticks to the ideological mode.

The reason why Hoberman is a superior critic to Rosenbaum is Hoberman is more philosophical than ideological in his criticism. Hoberman is ideologically identical with Rosenbaum. They both belong to the Left. But, Hoberman tries to understand the other side, weigh matters, understand varying opinions and realities. This is why Dream Life is a wonderful read. Hoberman suprises us--and probably himself--, whereas Rosenbaum is a broken record repeating the same diatribes over and over.
Dave Kehr is also superior to Rosenbaum for this reason. Kehr, a liberal, can see the idiocy of both right and left. Rosenbaum, with a personality of a 5 yr old who doesn't wanna share candy, only cares for his reality, his views, his prejudices. Now, everyone has prejudices. The role of a critic is to try--at least try--to go beyond his own. Otherwise, ANYONE can be a film critic. All he needs to do is to declare his prejudices and praise/condemn movies on their ideological or political utility.

At this point, Microsoft oughta come up with a software called Rosenbaumics. For every new movie, let the Software 'write' the reviews. I get a feeling that Rosenbaum is sick of cinema, sick of America, sick of the world, sick of humanity. We are all idiots who love mass murderers in arts and politics. Now, the world is a pretty rotten place, but the tiresome jeremiad of Rosenbaum makes it worse--though it's good for laughs. Besides, some of the Cult Films that he prefers are immeasurably worse than what he usually condemns. Check his film canon. I think mentions only one Kurosawa and Bergman while including stuff like Hardly Working by Jerry Lewis. Americans may love mass murderers but Rosenbaum obviously loves mega-morons.
The problem with Rosenbaum is ultimately his personality. He's like that guy in the documentary "I Like Killing Flies". A memoir by Rosenbaum could be called "I Like Killing Films".

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Movicus Fanisius at 4:36 PM on 11/11/2007

The appeal of Hannibal Lecter is perhaps predictable. It's the same kind of fascination that we have with Dracula. In an age of populism, egalitarianism, mass culture, and the like, the aristocratic figure or ideal has its allure.
This is probably why there has been a Jane Austen revival as well. We want our Adam Sandler movies and the Bigass Buckets of popcorn. But, we also want some class. It doesn't matter that Austen satirized aristocratic folk. It just feels good to among people with poise and manners.

Most slashers are just gory killers. They scare us but don't do much for the imagination. Lecter, on the other hand, has table manners when he kills and eats us.
Maybe, the appeal of American Gangster is similar. This is no orindary black gangster thug. He has style and manners, and as such, may teach today's thugs a lesson or two. If you're gonna be a thug, at least don't make a nuisance of yourself in public. And be more selective in who and what you kill. Don't me a slob.

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gem2 at 5:59 PM on 11/11/2007

Movicus Fanisius,

i stand corrected. i blindly dismissed your rants as childish, but it's obvious you're well-read and quite impassioned about film. my favorite critics are also Dave Kehr, Hoberman AND Rosenbaum, for all the reasons you hate him. if you continue to read him, shout and stammer about his opinions (you've written six times more than the actual review you're addressing), it's obvious his reviews have a fundamental value for you.

i still don't know what his politics are so bothersome to you and i think you're a little more than disengenous with comparing him to Michael Medved. do you actually read him? for shits & giggles, i listen to his radio show and PUH-LEASE, Rosenbaum is no party shill.

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Brian at 1:00 AM on 11/12/2007

Why are people accusing this review of being an example of party politics? Rosenbaum may be a liberal but this isn't an example of him attacking Republicans. Movicus Fanisius points it out himself, the Cohen brothers' are liberals. Most of the movie critics praising this movie on RottenTomatoes are liberals. This isn't an example of the left vs. the right, like Fahrenheit 911. Instead this review is about Rosenbaum's moral view of how violence is portrayed on film. That's the issue you have to deal with. Notice how everyone who is attacking Rosenbaum is avoiding this moral issue and instead just calls him partisan. He certainly does not hide his political feelings and lets those feelings influence how he views movies (which I like). But this is not a case of that political influence. When he brings up Abu Ghraib, it isn't a non-sequetor which could fit in any other review of a violent movie(as people accuse him of). Instead it is the film that made such an allusion; Rosenbaum is just turning that reference against the movie to offer a real world example of atrocity and then point out the film's lack of moral depth, which makes it incapable of responsibly handling such issues.

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d at 4:10 PM on 11/12/2007

Sucky comments. I'll go see the movie.

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Spillane at 6:01 PM on 11/12/2007

I have to say that while I love Jonathan's writing I find that I love David Bordwell's work partly because it is completely unlike Jonathan's. While JR is well-read and insightful he has this tendency to make bold assertions that are not backed up by anything substantial. I find that at his worst he avoids formalism altogether in favour of making a Abe Simpson-type rant (in this case we have basically a recycling of his Fargo review). There are too many loose ends here - Jonathan generalizes about America and its fascination about serial killers, but never bothers to distinguish between filmic approaches about these psycho killers. He just throws everything into a pot, stirs and makes premature conclusions. The Orwell quote is uncalled for - it is so boldly insulting in this context. Jonathan - we love you, but please don't forget to be a bit more grounded, even if you are an old dog.

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Adam at 7:14 PM on 11/12/2007

Rosenbaum is a critic who holds grudges. He's been very negative toward the Coen brothers from the get-go, as soon as they portrayed southerners derisively in Blood Simple. As a native southerner, he was obviously personally offended and the offense hasn't lessened any with the Coen brothers' subsequent films. I'm not saying that this feeling has been unwarranted, but I believe it's affected his overall judgement of the Coen brothers' films in more ways and to a greater degree than it should.

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auto_matt_ic at 12:14 AM on 11/13/2007

Although I'm generally in favor of reader responses, these generally seem to be written by insipid muddleheads. I think Mr. J.Ro should turn off comments to keep amateur hacks from spending their afternoons taking anonymous pot-shots. He didn't like this movie, it's probably going to be over-rated by the rest of the world (the Coens are grossly over-rated to begin with), go see it and make your own decision.

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Phartologist at 12:48 AM on 11/13/2007

With reviews such as this and the elicited comments (sadly, published here), we now know why the Reader costs what it does.

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Adam at 6:04 AM on 11/13/2007

auto_matt_ic and others who are complaining about these comments - yes, the nasty tone of many of them is unfortunate, and some of them ARE written by "insipid muddleheads"/"amateur hacks"; however, there are other comments here worth reading. You have to pick the flyshit from the pepper.

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Buster at 10:02 AM on 11/13/2007

Hey Rosenbaum, All of the comparisons to the Iraq war and Abu Graihb are totally contrived. About 95% percent of the dialogue is directly out of the book, and has nothing to do with The war.
douche

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Movicus Fanisius at 9:26 PM on 11/13/2007

My theory as to why Rosenbaum can't stand the Coens...
I think it's essentially a generational thing. Just as the generation prior to Rosenbaum's disdained the new sensibility mixing high brow & low brow and championed Hollywood movies as works of art, I think Rosenbaum and many like him disdain the Film School generation that came afterwards who took the elements from old movies--sacred to Rosenbaum as a kid/young man--and cleverly recycled them into cinemaniac circuses.
Even in our demotic age, we tend to respect those with elder status. Rosenbaum may see Coens as clever upstart schtickmeisters, but those in their teens today could very well see the Coens as established master elders with a distinguished body of work. Rosenbaum's primary point of reference is the 50s and 60s. For cinephiles youth today, 80s is a mysterious ancient period. Point of reference is important, which is why older critics like Kael, Kauffmann, and others didn't much care for Hitchcock or Welles of the 50s. They preferred the earlier works of Hitch and Welles--seen when they were young.
So, Rosenbaum, who's seen perhaps 10,000s of movies and waxes about the wonderful movie culture of the 50s/60s, doesn't see anything new in the Coens. He sees only cleverly recycled stuff from movies he truly holds dear. But, then older critics may feel the same about movies Rosenbaum holds dear.
Anyway, it seems generally true that most newer directors--those who rose to prominence since the mid 80s--lack certain qualities of earlier directors; a lack of genuine seriousness and unique personality. For all of Godard's clowining around, he wanted to say something serious about movies and the world. You don't get that sense from the Coens, Wes Anderson, Quentin Tarantino, etc.
Their movies--even when terrifically well made--say one thing--"I've seen A LOT of movies". Tarantino's cinema is a game of scrabble criss-crossing styles of old masters. Maybe Oliver Stone is a more serious director but his style is essentially indistinguishable from tabloid tv news shows like Current Affair and Hard Copy.
This is perhaps why Rosenbaum prefers quiet Art Films from abroad. He wants to hide from the loud and boorish movie culture aimed at cleverites and boors--today's youths--in a cinema as retirement home.

As for the Coens... they know all the tricks but take away the tricks and what do you have? Not much. Sure, they've made Serious movies too, like Fargo and Man Who Wasn't There. But, they are not seriously serious but Serious-in-Style. Everything feels a bit smug.
This is why O Brother Where Art Thou and Barton Fink are their best movies. If Blood Simple and Raising Arizona are nothing but style and if Miller's Crossing and Fargo are sham serious movies--tonal than substantive--O Brother is lots of fun with some genuinely raucous to sublime musical numbers thrown into the mix. Maybe O Brother worked because Coens drew as much if not more from musical sources than merely from movie sources; at any rate, it is more than Film School clowning. But, then think of movies like Big Lebowski--the equivalent of sucking helium out of a good year blimp and making funny vocals for hrs on end.
Coens.. I don't like them.
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As for Rosenbaum-bashers vs Rosenbaum-philes, it's like the movie School of Rock. We are supposed to give the middle finger to the Man. In this case, the Man is Rosenbaum. So, we are obliged to rebel and act up a bit. Teacher's pets never get any respect. Or, if we use Star Wars as an analogy, Rosenbaum is the Emperor and his fans are his Storm Trooping minions. It's the rebel alliance that stands for freedom.
Read Rosenbaum you will. Bitch and whine you must.

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David Ehrenstein at 2:59 PM on 11/14/2007

"I have nothing against Rosenbaum's dissenting or oppositional views."

Of course you do. And you're a lying scumbag for claiming otherwise.

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Movicus Fanisius at 5:48 PM on 11/14/2007

You're right. My bad. The way I phrased it does make me a lying scumbag cockroach mofo rat skunk pile of manure.

Of course, I oppose and disagree with Rosenbaum's views. But, I support HIS RIGHT to express his views.

So, I say Rosenbaum has every RIGHT to be nuts AND that he is indeed NUTS.

So, now I've redeemed myself from a LYING scumbag--unintentional--to an honest scumbag.

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Movicus Fanisius at 6:27 PM on 11/14/2007

Adam, you say Rosenbaum holds grudges against the Coens because of their negative portrayal of the South. This is rather odd when Rosenbaum is harsh on many aspects of the South himself--especially on them Christian Conservatives and Rednecks.
Maybe, it's like what John Lennon said--HE has the right to shit on the Beatles but no one else; he bitchslapped Mick Jagger for daring to do just that. Similarly, many people who express hatred for their parents or siblings get all defensive and angry if someone ELSE says the same. "My mother is a bitch". "Okay, you're mother is a bitch." "WHAT????!!!!"

But, I don't think the Coens were ever anti-South, any more than they were anti-Minnesotan. There's much affection for those localities and folks in their movies though much of it is, more or less, a variation of old or new stereotypes.
But, even this may piss off Rosenbaum. He may object to the caricaturization of the South instead of presenting Southerners are Real People. But, this accusation could be leveled at ANY Hollywood movie. A German may find most Hollywood movies about Germans ridiculous. Same with the French. I'm sure Asians would find the Asian-themed movies of Sam Fuller utterly laughable. And, blacks have often griped about how white Hollywood has misrepresented them in either an utterly negative or all-too-positive light. And, I'm sure Arabs and Muslims are cracking up or fuming--or both--about Hollywood or American depiction of their world.

So, if the Coens are guilty, so is everyone else. And, it's not just localities. It's also regarding professions and religions. Christians often gripe about Hollywood misrepresentation of Christians. Lawyers and doctors are, at best, amused by Hollywood misrepresentation--either bogus idealization or conspiracy-laden vilification--of their professions. Hollywood even misrepresents the nature of filmmaking. I didn't believe a single minute of The Player. And, many country music folks thought Nashville was pure fiction--also an insult as Altman told his actors to write their own songs(as though country music is soooo dumb, anyone can do it--which may be true, btw). And, Vietnamese are furious about almost all Hollywood Vietnam War movies--even anti-war movies--because the main focus is on Americans and Vietnamese are merely backdrop--as villains or helpless faceless victims.
Yet, Rosenbaum gave Apocalyse Now 3 stars while giving O Brother a zero.
I think Rosenbaum has a love/hate relationship with the South. On the one hand, The South is mostly Red State Red Neck KKK hellhole. On the other hand, it is the misrepresented and much maligned part of America in the media. Partly, he's with the liberal media in bashing red necks in the South. On the other, he feels all them city boys up north and in trendy West don't really understand why folks down south have 100 different recipes for catfish.
Rosenbaum loves to play the oppositional card,and being a southerner AND a radical gives him extra leeway. As a leftist, he opposes what the South stands for. As a former southerner, he opposes what glib liberals make of the South; he's better than the Southerners AND those who crap on the Southerners. Why, he's in hog heaven.
So, just visualize Rosenbaum with a radical text in one hand while other is holding fishing rod over a muddy pond next to his friend Lyle. He's not so much the child of Marx and Coca Cola as one of Marx and Fried Chicken. "Now, why dont you workin' boys cum together? Aint nothin to lose but some lard off yer ass."

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ligeti42 at 11:48 PM on 11/14/2007

Talk about blogorrhea. Movicus, please use your own blog if you must foam at the mouth about JR or any other critic you agree or disagree with. You've written more here than all the rest of us combined. Jesu Christe.

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flinch at 3:54 AM on 11/15/2007

As a McCarthey fan, I enjoyed the film for the following reasons: a. it stayed very close to the line and structure of the book, b. it used much of the dialogue from the book, c. it maintained the McCarthy sensibility and flavor, d. I loved the Coen brother's effect of unbalancing at least half the full audience with the ending of the film. If you want a treat, read Cormac's best work, Blood Meridian, also watch the "No Country"film a second time.

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David Ehrenstein at 9:19 AM on 11/15/2007

"So, now I've redeemed myself from a LYING scumbag--unintentional--to an honest scumbag."

IN YOUR DREAMS!

"So, just visualize Rosenbaum with a radical text in one hand while other is holding fishing rod over a muddy pond next to his friend Lyle."

You know nothing about Jonathan whatsoever. I'd advise tou to read his book "Moving Place"s but I'm sure you have "better things to do" with your oh-so-precious time.

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Zionist at 12:22 PM on 11/15/2007

Once again, Jonny boy attacks his own people in a review.

Jonny boy hates the Coens. He hates Spielberg. He hates Harvey and Bob Weinstein. Gee, folks--what do they have in common?

And get this--he loves an Islamofacsist Iranian filmmaker--an enemy of his religion and his country--who would love to do nothing better when seeing Jonny but kill him.

Why is Jonny boy a traitor to his religion? Can we hope that he will travel to Israel and get arrested, tried and hung for treason?

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Debra at 1:06 PM on 11/15/2007

The only thing that is more pathetic than all impassioned anti-Rosies is all the little boys who worship him like a god and can't tolerate any criticism of daddy. Wake up guys! Rosie is just another washed up out of touch 60s lefty who thinks he's god's gift because he gets a paycheck for giving his lame opinions. He's hardly worth all this silly debate!

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Jonathan Rosenbaum at 4:57 PM on 11/15/2007

Whew!

You guys should read one another to hear how you sound. The pretense at familiarity (thanks, David E.) takes my breath away.

To Mr. or Ms. Zionist: I love many, many Jews--including even Spielberg and Kubrick, especially when they made A.I.--but, sorry, no Islamofascists and no antisemites.

Even though I have no religion--just an ethnic background that I'm proud of (irrationally, because I didn't choose it)--I don't like haters of any stripe, and that includes all you creeps. But not liking isn't the same thing as hating. Sorry to disappoint you. I don't even hate the Coens, who have afforded me loads of entertainment and enjoyment, even in their latest film.

Yours very sincerely,

Just another washed up out of touch 60s lefty who thinks he's god's gift because he gets a paycheck for giving his lame opinions.

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Movicus Fanisius at 5:55 PM on 11/15/2007

Is David Ehrenstein Rosenbaum's pit-bull? Rosenbaum is a big boy; he doesnt' need you as body guard nor as a running dog. Now, why don't you go play fetch.

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Movicus Fanisius at 6:11 PM on 11/15/2007

Debra.. you don't get it. This is
supposed to be fun. Is it pathetic? Sure, just take a look any number of cinephiles. 99% of them are geeks and losers. A film critic is a loser who got lucky and spends his entire life watching and writing about movies for a living.

Anyway, cinephiles love mudwrestling too. Rosenbaum is ideal for this cuz he loves to provoke and piss us off for attention; he loves playing bad boy. I'm sure that he doesn't really rationally think "Americans love mass murderers" but he knows that such statement is gonna get a whole bunch of his readers riled up.
If Rosenbaum wrote saner and balanced reviews, we'd read him, nod or shake our head in mild agreement/disagreement.
It's like Jim Morrison pissing everyone off just to be center of attention. Rosenbaum wants to be the #1 bad boy critic in America. He's a self-promoter in the tradition of Mailer, Kael, Paglia, and Dworkin.
So, that's why We Americans Love Mass Murderers.

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Movicus Fanisius at 6:16 PM on 11/15/2007

If Rosenbaum 'loves' Spielberg and the Coens, what is 'hate' in his dictionary?

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Movicus Fanisius at 6:19 PM on 11/15/2007

Zionist...
Kiarostami is a humanist critical of the Iranian regime, not a Muslim radical tard. Fine artist too though his theories on film tend toward the dogmatic.

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a tired reader at 11:22 PM on 11/15/2007

Are Movicus Fanisius and Zionist the same person--the nut case who recently blogged that even a Gentile like Steven Soberbergh was a pathetic Marxist Jew in disguise? Maybe he just likes to have dialogues with himself. Or maybe Zionist is really a pit-bull for the Palestinians while the guy with a fake Latin name is a pit-bull for the Coens. If so, they should team up, start a multicultural pitbull club called Haters Anonymous, and either have the courage to use their real names or shut up---preferably both.

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a tired reader.about to call it quits at 11:31 PM on 11/15/2007

P.S. Rosenbaum didn't say he 'loved' the Coens, he said he didn't hate them. If that's 'reading' in this pseudonymous pit-bull's dictionary, what's 'writing'?

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Matt F. at 10:23 AM on 11/16/2007

One comment to Mr. Rosenbaum after reading through pages of somewhat hilarious back-and-forth:

You wrote that the Coens, "elide some of Chigurh’s actual murders toward the end, flattering the audience by suggesting they’re sophisticated enough to imagine the gorgeous carnage all by themselves."

This is not necessarily a choice that was made by the Coens, but rather, faithfulness to McCarthy's novel. At least one very important murder which takes place near the end of the novel/film is not "shown" in either.

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Brian H. at 10:24 AM on 11/16/2007

It's the best movie you've seen in a long time. Go see it now and judge for yourself!

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pola at 11:51 AM on 11/16/2007

wow, this reviewer is a fukcing idiot.

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J.D. at 12:28 PM on 11/16/2007

Whereas all these bloggers are fukcing geniuses. Thanks for the special insight, Pola. You have lots to teach us all.

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Movicus Fanisius at 5:46 PM on 11/16/2007

NO, I am not 'Zionist'. If you're a Reader editor, why don't you route the sources of both posts. Otherwise, no slander please.

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jwh at 5:51 PM on 11/16/2007

I had rice for dinner and, like your comments about this review, no one is going to care after about .5 seconds about anything you (or I) have written here. Looooosssseeerrrrsssss.

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a tired reader at 11:27 PM on 11/16/2007

MF: You still don't show much evidence of knowing how to read. I'm a tired reader, not a Reader editor. And why is my single supposition about you and Zionist as twin haters under the skin "slander" (as opposed to a taste of your own medicine) while your endless suppositions about Rosenbaum (radical text, fishing pole, muddy pond) are supposed to be some form of higher wisdom? Anyway, since you're hiding behind a pseudonym (like me and Zionist, but unlike Rosenbaum), what have you got to worry about? How does one slander a frightened shadow?

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David Ehrenstein at 8:34 AM on 11/17/2007

"Is David Ehrenstein Rosenbaum's pit-bull? Rosenbaum is a big boy; he doesnt' need you as body guard nor as a running dog. Now, why don't you go play fetch."

Now why don't you take the fucking gas pipe?

Jonathan has committed the unforgivable sin of being less than impressed with the Coen's latest. Fans of such art house pulp will doubtless be rewarded as the year closes out with this shallow monstrosity getting all sorts of awards.

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Jonathan Safran Rosenbore at 12:13 PM on 11/17/2007

Ehrenstein, so kind of you take time out of kissing Dennis Cooper's ass, on his blog, to come and kiss Rosenbaum's, too.

Get back to being professionally gay, now.

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Movicus at 3:55 PM on 11/17/2007

Mr. Tired Reader, I don't care if you see or out me as a hater of Jews or Israel or whatever, but the simple fact is I AM NOT "ZIONIST". You can call me a Nazi, a Islamofascist, hater, or lunatic, but don't accuse me of doubling as 'Zionist'. It's FACTUALLY wrong. And, if you do work for the Reader, I'm sure you can check the origins of the post from "Zionist". Not he am I.

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As for 'not knowing how to read', Rosenbaum wrote "...Coens... have afforded me loads of entertainment and enjoyment, even in their latest film." Sounds like LOVE to me. If I say someone or something afforded me 'loads of entertainment and enjoyment', aren't I implying that I have strong affection or liking for that thing?
Or, suppose I say, 'something made me sick to my stomach and made me vomit', aren't I implying that I hate or strongly dislike that thing--even if I don't use the word 'hate'? You're messing with semantics, therefore confused.

As for the issue of love or hate, it would be more honest for Rosenbaum to say that he hates certain movies, people, and ideas. Why not? Everyone has his loves and hates. Often, that which one loves leads to hate. Israelis love Israeli security and, as a result, hate Hamas. Hamas people love Palestinian freedom, and as a result, hate Israelis. If they didn't have strong loves, they wouldn't have strong hatreds. Politics and morality are not about love vs hatred, but about one kind of love/hatred vs another kind of love/hatred. Rosenbaum has his hatreds, so do you, so do I, so does everyone.

When Rosenbaum says "Americans love mass murderers", isn't he expressing hatred of Americans or at least of the American mentality?
No?
Suppose someone says "Jews love mass murderers". Wouldn't that qualify as expression of hatred of Jews or Jewish mindset?
If it's wrong to generalize about Jews(or blacks, Chinese, Poles, etc)that way, why is it okay to say something like that about Americans?
Wouldn't it have been less hateful and more sound of Rosenbaum to say, for example, "Americans have an unhealthy fascination with serial killers" or "American cinema's fixation with serial killers is a disturbing trend". Rosenbaum could have been fair-mindedly critical of American culture and attitudes without slandering Americans as lovers of mass murderers.

Also, if we follow the logic of the statement, 'Americans love mass murderers', doesn't it imply that certain Americans love mass murderers more than other groups? How many Amish Americans are in the movie business or regularly watch blood-soaked Hollywood movies?
Isn't it true that the bulk of Hollywood writers, directors, and producers have been Jewish? If we follow Rosenbaum's logic that American cinema is a symptom of American love of mass murderers, shan't we conclude that Jewish-Americans(and Italian-Americans--Tarantino, Scorsese, DePalma, etc) are more in love with mass murderers than other Americans?

And, since Rosenbaum loves Mr. Arkadin, a movie about a bloody murderer--portrayed in not entirely unsympathetic manner--, does it mean he love mass murderers too?

And, you don't think it's a stretch(!!!!) to say that since Americans love to watch Hannibal Lecter(though many more Americans did NOT see the movie nor others of its kind), they must take great pleasure in the tragic mayhem that is going on in Iraq? You don't think that is offensive or nasty in the slightest?

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Movicus at 4:00 PM on 11/17/2007

Ehrnstein...

I don't know what I said to or about you. I, like others, were commenting on Rosenbaum's review. Yet, YOU interjected yourself between Rosenbaum and us. You picked the fight.

And,why don't you mail me the gas pipe. <