Eighty years ago a prophet came to the south side and drew thousands of followers. Today the remaining few face an uncertain future.
By Tasneem Paghdiwala November 15, 2007
Very early on a Monday morning in September, Reuben Johnson-Bey left his home in Washington Heights to pick up the buffalo fish. As he’s done nearly every September for the last 50 years, he drove north through the south side hunting for deals. He spotted a sale at Fish #1 on Stony Island. “If you see a bargain, capitalize on it,” he likes to say. He bought 30 pounds, taking his time to look for a razorback variety that’s pulled from the Mississippi down in Arkansas and piling them into coolers. “I’m not the only person who’s acquired the buffalo fish over the years, but usually the members do like for me to get it,” he says. “I have a pick for the right type.”
With a trunk full of fish, he continued north to a simple two-story red brick building at Augusta and Hoyne. It’s called Temple No. 9, and it belongs to a small quasi-Islamic sect, the Moorish Science Temple of America. It looks like any of the dozens of Polish churches dotting the Ukrainian Village, with wide red doors, a steepled roof, and a ring of cheery stained-glass windows. On the third week of September, hundreds of Moors, as they call themselves, travel to the temple from around the country for their annual convention. It’s the biggest event of the Moorish calendar, and it’s been held in Chicago since the first one in 1928. That makes Temple No. 9 arguably the most important Moorish temple in the country.
Johnson-Bey unloaded the coolers from his car, unlocked the back door to the kitchen, and got to work cleaning and seasoning the fish, which he would later fry up for the temple’s guests. He worked alone. A tall, slender 72-year-old with thick rose-tinted glasses and a fondness for bow ties, he’s the temple’s Grand Sheik—like a Catholic parish’s priest. Since he retired from the CTA two years ago he gets to the temple hours before services start so he can have the place to himself for a bit. His wife, Cora, used to accompany him until she started showing signs of Alzheimer’s. Now he gets the temple ready for services alone, running the heat when it’s cold and airing out the main room when it’s warm. When there’s snow on the ground he brings his twin ten-year-old granddaughters, Nefertiti and Makeda, and they shovel the sidewalk together.
In recent years about 200 Moors have shown up for each convention, where they elect national leaders, review finances, and hold gala religious services. But Johnson-Bey remembers long-ago conventions when thousands traveled to Chicago and paraded along State Street in elaborate costumes. Temple No. 9 only has 23 active members now, many of them quite old—50 is young there—but they tell stories of the 30s and 40s, when there were 10,000 Moors in Chicago alone. A few members, like Sister Matilda Kern-El, who’s in her late 90s, come from families that were among the first converts when the religion was founded in 1913. One of Johnson-Bey’s four children, Reuben Jr., is actively involved in the temple as its chairman; the others come on big holidays. “Everyone is free to make their own choice,” Johnson-Bey says. It’s the same story with the children of other members who are Reuben’s age. “Islamism is a strict lifestyle, and it’s hard to keep the children interested. Once they turn 18, it seems we don’t see them with the same regularity.”
New members are rare, and Johnson-Bey doesn’t make it easy to join. “We see a lot of visitors who first heard about Islamism while they were institutionalized,” he says. “Now, I have nothing against your past if you are up-front with me and tell me exactly when and why you were in the institution. But I have seen visitors who seem chiefly interested in receiving financial support. There are no handouts here. If you knock on the temple doors and I smell alcohol on the breath, or the eyes aren’t clear, and you’re not properly dressed in slacks and a jacket and preferably a tie, I will ask you to return at a later date.” Temples in Philadelphia, Detroit, and Washington, D.C., have kept membership numbers between 50 and 100 by proselytizing in prisons. Temple No. 9 doesn’t do that. “We have true treasures at this temple, sages who hold a wealth of information about the days in the Prophet’s time and this that and the other,” Johnson-Bey says. “I will not allow just anyone to enter these doors.”
Services start at 7:30 on Friday nights. Members know Johnson-Bey is a stickler for punctuality, so if he finds himself sitting alone on the stairs at 8, he knows no one is coming. On some nights it’s just him and Queen Sheba, a woman who lives in an apartment next door. Her family is famous in the organization; her father, Gilbert Cook-Bey, was a first-generation convert who opened the temples in Philadelphia and Detroit. “If all of her family were to show up, they alone would fill this entire building,” Johnson-Bey says. “Some nights Sheba and I sit on the steps, give some of the members a little extra time, what with winter travel and so on and so forth. We get to telling stories of people we both knew, old sages who are no longer with us. Oh my, we do laugh. When it looks like no else is coming, we sing a few hymns, shut the lights off, and go home.”
He’s not worried about what Temple No. 9 will look like down the road, after his stewardship ends. “The Prophet said, ‘Keep my temple doors open, and I will drive them in.’ I intend to hold my end of that bargain, and he will keep his.”
Hope, Indiana, is a tiny farming town about an hour southeast of Indianapolis. It’s always been overwhelmingly white and generally poor, so it’s somewhat incredible that Johnson-Bey’s grandfather, Reuben Frazier, owned not one but two farms there in the early 1920s. He raised corn, beans, spinach, oats, chickens, pigs, sweet peas, and 12 children. “I could listen to grandpa talk all day long,” Johnson-Bey says. “He had a strong voice, and he loved to talk, but he never used any profanity. Now, here was a person you could admire. At the crack of dawn he’d set out to hoe the corn rows, and I’d set out there before grandpa and start pulling up the weeds ahead of him. He never said a word about it, but I knew he noticed. Everything on our table, we raised ourselves. None of my siblings were around grandpa the way I was. They didn’t sweat blood on that farm the way I did.”
Ten years before Johnson-Bey was born, in 1935, his uncle Curtis, who was working as a migrant laborer in Canada, heard about a young black man known as Prophet Drew Ali who’d founded something called the Moorish Science Temple, which preached racial pride. When Curtis got back to the farm, he told the family what he’d heard. This was five years before the Nation of Islam was founded, and the name Marcus Garvey didn’t yet mean anything in Hope. Reuben Frazier looked into it and found out there was a small branch in Indianapolis. He learned that although Drew Ali’s new religion promoted racial pride to a congregation that was entirely black, it didn’t advocate for blacks. In fact, it didn’t believe black people existed at all.
Not much is known about Timothy Drew before he became Prophet Drew Ali. He was born in North Carolina in 1886, possibly to a Cherokee woman and a Moroccan Muslim father, or maybe to freed slaves. A framed picture of him hangs from the gold domed altar of Temple No. 9. He looks tall and thin, unremarkable except for the belted silk robe and tall fez he’s wearing. The Moors’ version of his life story says he left home at 16 and joined a band of Gypsies who took him overseas to Egypt, Morocco, and the Middle East. In Morocco he was approached by the high priest of a mystical Egyptian cult who recognized him as the latest reincarnation in a line of prophets including Buddha, Confucius, Jesus, and Muhammad. The priest gave Drew a book that he said was a lost section of the Koran, and when Drew returned to the States he called it the Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple of America. It says, “The last Prophet in these days is Noble Drew Ali, who was prepared divinely in due time by Allah to redeem men from their sinful ways; and to warn them of the great wrath which is sure to come upon the earth.”
Drew claimed that blacks in America were sinfully ignorant of their true racial heritage. They were all descendents of the Moors, a Moroccan Muslim tribe that conquered Spain in the seventh century and spread Islam to Europe. He started dressing in Moorish fashion: fezzes and feathered turbans and silk robes, with a curved sword at his side. When the Moors’ descendents were brought to America in slave ships, he said, white slave owners systematically hid the truth of their noble origins and renamed them “black,” “colored,” and “Negro.” Just as bad, these “so-called blacks” forgot Islam and took up “the false god of the Europeans.” Drew had been dispatched by Allah to eradicate the “slave marks” from blacks in America. His job was to inform them that their true name was not black, colored, or Negro, but Moorish-American, and return them to Islam—or Islamism, as he called it.
This was well before most Americans had even heard the words Islam, Koran, or Muslim. The first documented mosque on American soil wasn’t built till 1915, by Albanian immigrants in Maine. And anyone with a little knowledge of Islam—the one associated with Muhammad and Mecca—who heard of Drew’s Islamism must have been greatly confused. Drew’s followers call themselves Muslims and greet each other by turning their palms forward and saying, “Islam!” They face east when praying, regard Friday as their holy day, and call their god Allah and their leader Prophet. But the similarities to mainstream Islam end there. Moorish-Americans drink alcohol and eat pork. They don’t pray five times a day or travel to Mecca, and their religious book deals more with Jesus than Muhammad, who gets just two mentions toward the end. In his Koran, Drew claimed Marcus Garvey was merely his forerunner, like John the Baptist spreading the gospel before the arrival of Jesus.
At Friday night services at Temple No. 9, men and women sit together on pews facing a podium at the back of the room. Men wear fezzes and suits, women wear silk turbans and modest dresses. Some women wear shalwar khameez, embroidered tunics from the Indian and Pakistani stores along Devon. Drew called all dark- and olive-skinned people around the world Asiatic and and all whites Europeans, and he said Moors ought to show solidarity with other Asiatics.
At the start of the service, members stand and face east to recite the Moorish prayer: “Allah the Father of the universe, the Father of Love, Truth, Peace, Freedom and Justice. Allah is my protector, my guide and my salvation by night and day through his Holy Prophet Drew Ali. Amen.” They return to their seats and a minor sheik or sheikess reads the Divine Constitution and By-Laws, Drew’s rules governing meetings and everyday conduct. They’re simple but long, directing husbands and wives to care for their families, members to come to meetings on time, and everyone to get along. Moors read it out loud at the beginning and end of every function, great or small. Then they sing a hymn or two from the Moorish songbook, which has a lot of familiar Christian tunes reworked for Moorish needs, like “When Drew Ali Goes Marching In.”
The service closes with three of four members stepping up to the podium to read pages of the Holy Koran out loud and give their interpretation. Parts of Drew’s book are taken from obscure Christian texts; the bulk of it is lifted almost word for word from The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ, published in 1908 by an esoteric Ohio preacher named Levi Dowling. It describes Jesus’s travels in India, Egypt, and Palestine during the 18 years of his life the New Testament doesn’t account for—proof, Moors say, that Jesus and his followers were Asiatic. (Drew did leave out Dowling’s descriptions of the “fair haired, blue eyed” Jesus.) At the podium some members draw parallels between Jesus’s trials and their own lives, talking about how they quit smoking or left a bad marriage or kept their children out of gangs. Listeners from the pews shout out “Preach, brother!” and “Islam!” Johnson-Bey likes to talk about his grandfather—how the family was dirt poor but through hard work and with the Prophet’s guidance, Reuben Frazier pulled the family up.
Drew established his first Moorish congregation in Newark, New Jersey, in 1913, naming it the Canaanite Temple. He was forced to flee soon after, chased out for his teachings on race. For the next 12 years he and his followers kept moving westward, planting congregations in Philadelphia, D.C., and Detroit on their way to their final destination, Chicago. Legend has it that in D.C. Drew got a meeting with Woodrow Wilson and forced the president to hand over the Moorish flag, a red cloth with a green star and crescent supposedly passed down through generations of Moors. Drew said the signers of the Constitution had seized it from Moors who’d been living in America since before colonization and he’d been sent by Allah to reclaim it.
With the flag in hand as proof of his divinity, Drew landed in Chicago in 1925. In a 2002 article in American Quarterly about the Moors’ early days here, historian Susan Nance wrote that “rumors began spreading around Chicago’s South Side that a group of exotically-dressed men had begun initiating altercations with strangers in public. . . . Some also witnessed these ‘Sheiks’ making agitating speeches at work and at the street universities at Washington Park and on State Street. Journalists later described their intimidating public presence: ‘They flaunted their fezzes on the street and treated the white man with undisguised contempt. Many of them affected formidable-looking beards.’”
Looking to avoid the hostility that forced him out of Newark, Drew told his flock to stop bothering whites and strive to live in peace with them. “I hereby warn all Moors that they must cease from all radical or agitating speeches while on their jobs, or in their homes, or on the streets,” he proclaimed. “We did not come to cause confusion; our work is to uplift the nation.” To make his point, in the winter of 1926, he paid ten dollars to the Illinois state legislature to legally incorporate the Moorish Science Temple. At Temple No. 9, the Moorish flag hangs on one side of the podium, the American flag on the other.
Drew set up shop on the south side in a rented space he called Unity Hall, on the 3600 block of Indiana Avenue. Two blocks away was a small factory called the Moorish Manufacturing Corporation, which made products like Moorish Herb Tea for Human Ailments and Moorish Body Builder and Blood Purifier. The Moors advertised in the Chicago Defender, which didn’t know what to make of them. It ran contradictory articles, sometimes likening the group to industrious fraternal organizations like the black Shriners, sometimes to snake-oil salesmen and harem operators. The Moors started printing their own newspaper, the Moorish Guide, which reached followers from Detroit to New Orleans. It ran excerpts of Drew’s Koran and stories like “Prophet’s Spirit Routs Enemy From Hall,” and it announced Drew’s political endorsements as he ingratiated himself with the south-side machine.
In September 1928 the first Moorish convention was held at Unity Hall. The Defender reported that 3,000 attended the gala event, including black Chicago politicians and judges who came at Drew’s invitation. Less than a year later Drew unexpectedly died in a follower’s south-side apartment; the cause of death was never made public. Some Moors claim he’d been violently beaten by police who questioned him after the murder of one of his estranged disciples. Another told the Defender, “The Prophet was not ill; his work was done and he laid his head upon the lap of one of his followers and passed out.”
In 1932 a representative from Temple No. 15, in Indianapolis, traveled to the Frazier farm, where the whole family—with the exception of one of Reuben’s uncles—signed up and received nationality cards declaring them Moorish-Americans. The suffix “Bey” was tacked onto their last names, to signify which tribe of the medieval Moors they were descended from. Other new members got “El” or “Ali.” Johnson-Bey says his family probably practiced Christianity before that, but by the time he was born his grandfather was starting a congregation on the Frazier-Bey farm.
After Drew’s death the Moors had broken into rival factions, each claiming superior authenticity. There were shoot-outs and arrests at Unity Hall. One of Drew’s highest-ranking followers, W. Fard Mohammed, left Chicago for Detroit and founded the Nation of Islam, taking a bite out of Drew’s membership. But eventually the dust settled and new leaders emerged. Through the 1930s dozens of new temples opened all over the country. Membership estimates for that time range widely, but most put the number at about 30,000, with the biggest congregations in Philadelphia, Chicago, and Detroit.
The Frazier-Bey farm became a rest stop for high-ranking Moors en route to Chicago. “I was grandpa’s chauffeur,” Johnson-Bey says. “When dignitaries came up to the farm, he’d call for me and I’d drive them around in the backseat. I didn’t say a word, just listened and drove. Grandpa could trust me not to interrupt or to spread around what I heard.” The farm hosted huge barn dances in honor of Drew’s birthday on January 8, and Moors came from all over the country in elaborate turbans and flouncy silk costumes.
Johnson-Bey visited Chicago regularly for the annual convention and meetings of the Young People’s Moorish National League. He became local chairman of the League at 15 and taught a children’s Sunday school class. In 1955 a close family friend asked his mother if he could live with her and her niece for a bit to help out around the house. The friend, Sister M. Tiggs-El, was a famed seamstress who made garments for Moorish holidays—her niece, Venus, is still a member of Temple No. 9. “I didn’t want to leave the farm and come to a whole new metropolitan city,” Johnson-Bey says, “but the family said I should go, and that was that.”
He was 20 when he moved into their apartment, on a stretch of Orleans that would later be enveloped by Cabrini-Green. He thought his stay would be short, but six months later he married Cora Patton-Bey, a young woman he’d seen at League meetings. Reuben Jr. was born a year later. They got an apartment a couple blocks away from the Moorish Science Temple’s home office at 1104 N. Sedgwick. He took a dollar-an-hour job at Montgomery Ward and she worked at a health clinic. At the time Temple No. 9 met in a hall on Orleans rented from a moving company called Howell Brothers. The congregation bought its current home in Ukrainian Village from an order of Buddhist monks in 1984, holding bake sales and rummage sales to raise funds.
In 1985 Johnson-Bey got a job with the CTA, where he was known as “Bey.” He didn’t wear a fez to the office or talk about his religion, but if someone wished him a merry Christmas or called him black, he corrected them. “It didn’t seem to bother them any about me being a Muslim, because I didn’t bother them any about what creed or nationality they belonged to,” he says. “I treated everyone with friendliness and fairness at work, whether Asiatic or European.” It was harder for his school-age children, by then three sons and a daughter, when holidays came around. “In the schools the European children would talk about presents and so on and so forth, but I broke it down for them. I said, December 25th is not the date Jesus was born. It’s a man-made holiday, primarily a business holiday so you can spend your money.” It helped that the Prophet’s birthday celebration came in January; to this day there’s still a large barn dance on the Frazier-Bey farm.
The other members of Temple No. 9 asked Johnson-Bey to be their Grand Sheik in 2005. But with Cora’s decline into Alzheimer’s, he had his hands full. “You have to work with the members and help them resolve their problems,” he says, “and I figured I had enough problems of my own.” He’d also have to officiate weddings and funerals and preach at Friday night services. He finally agreed on the condition that he also could keep his old position as door mufti, guarding the temple from the outside and interrogating visitors at the door. “Due to the fact that we’re in a large metropolitan city, there are not too many people you can trust to guard the door. Sometimes we have neighbors come by, straight from the tavern, swerving and slipping. They might just want to come in from the cold. They might say, ‘Can I just come up, and sit and listen?’ I have to tell them, no, just keep on walking. We have children and sisters up there. You have to do it in a mild manner. We don’t want to cause any confusion or harm. Or if members who have fallen by the wayside come back, and they have alcohol on the breath or they aren’t properly dressed, maybe in headdress they picked up from some other Islamic body, I have a conversation with them and tell them to come by another time. I’m trying to train a couple younger brothers to be on the door, but right now they’re too green.”
One of the brothers he’s working with is J. Mohr-El, who’s in his early 30s and stands out from the reserved older crowd in his baby blue suits, glinting rings, and crocodile-skin boots. He lives in Michigan but stops by the temple a couple times a month when he’s in town visiting family. He’s one of the only members who’s done time in prison, where he first heard of Drew Ali. When he takes the podium on Friday nights, he issues a booming “Islam, y’all!” that makes the other members jump in their seats. His style is more holy roller than they’re used to, rising to thunderous highs and falling almost to a whisper, but the members seem to like it. “Preach it brother!” they shout, the women hiding smiles behind their songbooks. Johnson-Bey tends to fold his hands on his knees, looking blankly ahead or at the clock on the wall.
Mohr-El is one of only two people who’ve been made official members of the temple in the last few years. He attended services for three years before he was accepted. Johnson-Bey admits that his incarceration worried him. “The members kept saying to me, ‘Why don’t you make him a member? He’s been coming for a long time now,’” he says. “Well, I was real skeptical. I finally said I would wait till he asked me himself. We had a frank discussion about his history, and I told him we expect members to abide by all the laws of the government and this that and other.”
He says he was surprised by how the younger man pitched in to help out with the convention. “I got a call on my cell phone when I was out riding one morning, and it was J. Mohr-El. I had just picked up three large buffalo fish, eight pounds each. He asked could I use any help, and I said well, no, all I have to do is clean these fish. He said to let him help me with that. So we rolled up our sleeves and I taught him to clean and season the fillets in the kitchen, and really he was very helpful. He just might be made a mufti, we’ll have to see. He is skilled in cleaning buffalo fish, anyhow.”
On Sunday the 16th, the biggest night of the convention, the sidewalk outside the temple was buzzing. The men wore fezzes, sharp suits, and well-oiled dress shoes, the women royal purple and peacock blue turbans over sequined shawls and high heels. They’d squeezed into passenger vans to come from Detroit, Philadelphia, D.C., and dozens of towns in between. Five of Johnson-Bey’s siblings and their spouses drove in from Hope in an RV and parked behind the temple; they slept there for five days. There were more people just waiting to get in than actually attend services on a good Friday night. They all turned their palms up and shouted “Islam, brother, Islam, sister!” as more Moors pulled up to the curb.
Inside, the stairs leading to the main room were lined with serious-looking young women and men in dark turbans and fezzes—muftis in charge of security. They offered greetings of “Islam!” to everyone who passed. The pews were packed tight; Moors crammed onto the steps and ringed the walls. One mufti walked around with a video camera; others ran cups of water to older members.
The room was hot. A hymn started up. “We’re marching, marching in America / We’re marching, marching into Mecca.” Brother R. Love-El, a former Grand Sheik of the national body (and a former Detroit cop), took the podium in a red velvet robe and leaned on a gnarled cane as he delivered his sermon. “Keep the temple doors open!” he boomed. “People aren’t gonna come till we tell them to come. Then they gonna lay down their Bibles and turn to Allah. They will learn that they are not black, Negro, colored, or Ethiopian! The streets are gonna fill up with men in turbans and fezzes! The prophet said ‘Membership will dwindle down to a handful, but keep the doors open, and I’ll drive them in!’ Oh, if they could only hear the beauty of Islam.”
Johnson-Bey stood against the wall in a creamy white suit and a red bow tie. In each arm he held one of his wide-eyed granddaughters, two of a small handful of children at the convention. Another hymn started up—“By and by, we’ll get there by and by”—and Johnson-Bey added his rich baritone to the swell of voices. It would probably be another year before the gold-painted walls of Temple No. 9 rang with so much sound. Send a letter to the editor.
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Chaheed El Amin-Bey at 2:12 AM on 11/15/2007
Overall a fairly impartial article but with a few major errors. Firstly, Moors do not eat pork or drink alcohol. I don't know where the author attained this erroneous information. Secondly, There are a number of Moorish Science Temples in the city of Chicago The Author should visit some of the others. The Moorish Movement is very much alive and growing in Chicago with a number of young Sheiks and Sheikesses and New members joining everyday.
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Nicole Mandley at 10:59 AM on 11/15/2007
I would like more information on this article. My Aunt was married to the profet Drew Ali and is the picture you have posted. My grandmother had her funeral at temple no. 9 and her name was Venus Mandley-El. My mother also remembers going to Sunday school and seeing Mrs. Catherine Hardy-Bey, who is pictured above as well.I would like to track my history, so if you could give my name and email address to whomever you did this interview with, i would greatly appriciate it. Any information that you have that can help me link all of this together would be helpful.Please call me to discuss, if possible. 773-430-0114.
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j. rivers at 8:12 PM on 11/15/2007
pork and alcohol is good. yummy yummy. keep the doors open y'all. liquor upfront, pork and buffalo in the back.
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Norman Nithman at 6:52 AM on 11/17/2007
Found the article very interesting. I took a picture of a temple on 51st St which I posted on Flickr. I believe that there is also a temple around 39th & Wabash.
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Muhammed Ahari El at 4:59 PM on 11/17/2007
Islam,
I joined Temple 67 under Sheikess Dove El in 1986 and later joined the Noble Order of Moorish Sufis in Baltimore. Do Temples 1, 34, and 67 still meet at the Temple on Hoyne?
Peace
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Antoine Cassius Bracy at 9:08 AM on 11/18/2007
I read with great interest your very interesting article entitled, the "Aging of the Moors". As the article demonstrates, the history of this church and movement are a very relevant part of "American" history in general--and "Black" history in particular. The only disappointment I experienced in reading it was that the article failed to inform the uninformed about the demise of Prophet Nobel Drew Ali, a man who had evolved and tried to help and inspire others. For the record, it is reputed that he died after a beating at the hands of members of the Chicago Police Department in 1929, as the Moorish Science Temple of America experienced racially motivated harassment, religious persecution, and controversy in its early existence. Noble Drew Ali is reportedly buried at Burr Oak Cemetary. God bless his courageous soul.
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Sister N. Thompson-Bey St.Louis MO. Temple75 at 12:42 AM on 11/19/2007
After reading your article and misinformation I see you did a great disservice to Islam and to some great Moslems about The Moorish Science Temple of America. I see were you wrote in your article that we drink liquor and eat pork and you were able to walk about in our Temple as a guest and seen our kitchen and its service and you did not see any pork nor liquor and you talked about people who have been in prison and them being memebers in our organization and you sat down with a man who was the leader of this organization for 31 years and flip off your tounge that he was a retired police officer and you failed to say that he had four honorable discharges from the Army and the Navy and that he was a Veteran of World War 2 and many of the members were Veterans of World War 2 and Korean War and Vietnam War some being wounded in service and earning medals for their service on the battle field for the United States Government and given their life in Patriot Service to the United States of America and we have Temples in states through out the United States of America who served this United States Government in dignity to fulfill the promise of our Prophet Noble Drew Ali to make better citizens of our men and woman through the Holy and Divine teachings of our Prophet Noble Drew Ali the same Jesus Son of Mary that Prophet Muhammad prophesies about in this day and time Islam suffers greatly from people who don't understand Islam and it is far beyond us to see one who calls them self a Moslem and expect hospitality of Moslems who dare to write a injurious article about some devout Moslems with your slanderous article you steped in line and joined ranks of enemies of Allah and man we know thats some people do this out of ignorants but you suppose to be a Moslem but acting more like an agent of the DEVIL! PEACE
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Tasneem at 11:30 AM on 11/19/2007
Chaheed El Amin-Bey,
Some Moorish-Americans make the personal choice to abstain from pork
or alcohol, or to make the pilgrimage to Mecca or learn Arabic. Others learn about Buddhism or Freemasonry, which also clearly influenced Drew Ali. But as it was explained to me by members of Temple No. 9, and from my readings of Drew Ali's Koran and other works, there's no official prohibition against pork or alcohol.
After Drew Ali died in 1929, the movement split into rival factions.
The group with the most members, and claim to the name "Moorish Science Temple of America, Inc.," the name under which Drew Ali legally incorporated the organization in 1928, was the one led by C. Kirkman-Bey until he died in 1959. Temple No. 9 adheres to his faction, and it's the only one in the city that does.
Lots of other offshoots claim direct lineage from Drew Ali's original
group. There's the Reincarnated Temples, the Noble Order of Moorish
Sufis, and the Moorish Orthodox Church, which have temples of varying viability around the country. It seemed to me that Kirkman-Bey and his followers were most aligned with Drew Ali's original vision, as I understood it from the writing he left behind.
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Jerry at 1:56 PM on 11/19/2007
I found this story strange. The title alone was quite misleading. These people are neither descendants of Moorish culture anymore than Idi Amin was the Last King of Scotland.
First, the vast portion of black African slaves was brought directly from Sub-Saharan Africa.
While the Kingdom of Morocco may have purchased black Africans, its participation in the North Atlantic slave trade was minimal.
Further, the vast majority of black Americans cannot tie their family tree back to the continent of Africa at all. However, those who are interested should look at the Henry Louis Gates study on black ancestry in the U.S.
Finally, while many black Americans like to believe that ALL of North Africa was or is "black" its simply not the case. That's why the vast majority of black American resemble Sub Saharan Africans and NOT North African, Middle Easterners or Southern Mediterraneans. While black slaves were purchased and integrated into Moroccan culture, their small numbers were not great enough to support this group's flawed logic.
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B. Cason-Bey at 9:35 PM on 11/19/2007
Islam, intresting artical however, As I recall Morrocco is only what is left of the vast Moorish empire which spread over nw and sw Amexem(now known as Africa) acroos the great atlatis , including the land that is visible to us now as islands) and north and south America, brfore the great dividing of the lands, some may want to do some research on the history of the moors before making judgments
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Charles Reese-Bey at 7:56 AM on 11/20/2007
Enjoyed reading the article and the statements by Bro.R. Johnson-Bey Sr. who I am quite familiar with. Would like to see a follow up article since there are many Moorish Americans around the country who were raised in the temple and would enjoy stating their views also.
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Brother. K. Simpsonel at 10:55 PM on 11/20/2007
This article does a great injustice to the purpose of the Moorish Science Temple of America, Inc. Incorrect correlations, i.e., Levi and our Circle 7. Levi never claimed to have written certain parts of that book and that particular writing he can be traced back to the Turks and so on. Our Holy Prophet never claimed to have written it. He stated that it was made known to us at a proper time for our uplifting. The Prophet Noble Drew-Ali clearly warns against the drinking of Alcohol, he states that we must not be under the influence of intoxicating liquors or any other harmful motive that will terminate to become detrimental to the organization. Also it is worthy to mention that Islam did not was not founded in 611A.D. Islam is the first religious creed, namely Islamism, the study and practice of a peaceful way of life. Peace on earth and good will to men if you will. 611 A.D. is merely the date when the universal creator made this religious creed known to our Arabic brothers in the Arabic Nations via Prophet Mohammed. It is my opinion that one should not be turned down no matter what his/her state is, the Prophet took us in no matter what our condition was and if we let him he helped us become better people with knowledge of self and he that made us. One thing we must always remember is that man finds himself where he can solve his problems best, and with this being known only people looking for salvation should find themselves in a Holy place, and because the perfect do not need help. The Moorish Science Temple is dedicated to the uplifting of falling humanity. It is very unfortunate that some will take what anyone says at face value and pass it along as if it were true. "General opinion is no proof of truth, for the generality of men are ignorant." CH. 38 v. 27. "Man may believe what others say, but thus he never knows. If man would know, he must, himself, be what he knows." Ch. 11 v. 12.
Peace on earth, good will to all men. Peace.
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Chaheed El Amin-Bey at 5:45 PM on 11/21/2007
Tasneem,
Your research is not in depth enough. You are barely scratching the surface of the works of our Prophet and the Movement that he left the MOORS here. If your purpose is to infer that the Moorish Science Temple of America is on the decline, then I must say that you are sadly mistaken. Our authority comes from the Great Quran of Mecca as stated in our Holy Koran of the M.S.T.of A. The Quran of Mecca as well as Bible both state that we are not to eat the flesh of the swine. As one of the other Brothers posted above: The Prophet Noble Drew-Ali clearly warns against the drinking of Alcohol, he states that we must not be under the influence of intoxicating liquors or any other harmful motive that will terminate to become detrimental to the organization. I simply do not believe that any members of Temple number 9 told you that they think it is okay to eat swine and drink liquor, if they did, I invite them to get on here and in an intelligent tone tell us all why it is okay as a Moslem to eat pork and drink liquor. You sound really confident in some of your claims such as Noble Drew Ali was clearly influenced by Freemasonry. When and if you are ready to get a more in depth view of the Moors contact me Approved1@aol.com
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Brother W Creighton-Bey at 8:02 PM on 11/21/2007
I want to say that this articles has some truth as well as some falsehood about the MST of A and its history..I THINK Tasneem's purpose is to misinform the general public about the true Moorish history and her main purpose is to create conflict amongst us.It is very clear that she has misquoted Mr. Johnson-Bey several time just in saying he is Muslim and not Moslem which we are known as... Moslems remember we are all one big family and we all have been taught the true message that Prophet Noble Drew Ali broughtso let no stranger come between our relation.The temple doors are open for all those who think that their condition can be better.ALL PRAISE IS DUE TO ALLAH AND HONOR TO HIS HOLY PROPHET DREW ALI.The prophets teaching have reached some of my brothers along their journey in life while they were incarcerated but with the prophets teachings they have risen and became law abiding citizens and live a life of love.The prophets teaching are for the uplift of fallen humanity.Praise Allah.
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D.Hubbert-Bey at 12:26 AM on 11/22/2007
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I have read this article with great concern as i saw many misquotes that I am more than sure the Brother Johnson-Bey did not make, as far as pork and liquor, i wont even comment because any true Moslem knows better.And while there are many Brothers and Sisters aho come out of the institutions for the most part it has been the Prophets teachings that has changed their lives and thus they stand as some of the strongeset vangaurds of this movement I am going to leave this right here because I am starting to get upset, and it is also a show to me that Moors need to become more active in telling the story that we cannot depend on others to tell our story we have to The story of the Moors here in America is one of the Greatest stories never told, matter of factly speaking this article reminds me of another one i have in my possession called Shoot Out at the Circle Seven, wheere the Moors were defamed as well
Peace.
D.Hubbert-Bey
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Bro. A. Hopkins-Bey, Sheik, D.M. Temple#11, A.G.G. of Pa. at 7:35 PM on 11/22/2007
Islam to all Moors, Moslems, seekers after truth, American and foreign sympathizers, etc.
I would like to give praises to Allah the Father of the Universe; I extend high honor to His Holy and Divine Prophet Noble Drew Ali, and to all true and divine Prophets of Allah who I have not mentioned. I extend honors to man because when man honors man he honors his father God Allah. The Holy Koran of the MSTA states, "…out of the worst the wise will find means of good," therefore at the out set I extend honor to the ‘Chicago Reader’ newspaper for showing the gumption to do a article on the Moorish Science Temple of America; I extend honor to them for having the fortitude to have the Moors grace the pages of their newspaper, for it is said a picture is worth a thousand words . I must begin by alerting the public of the fact that I was supposed to be "apart" of this so-called interview/story on the Moorish Science Temple of America. I was interviewed by Ms. Tasneem Paghdiwala during the Convention of 9/07, and none of my comments were used for this story. I can assure you that copious notes were being taken as I was speaking. I articulated the fact that the Holy Prophet Noble Drew Ali declared us Moslems under the Divine Laws of the Holy Koran of Mecca. I communicated that Moorish American Moslems do not drink alcohol, use profanity in the mildest form, smoke, use drugs, fornicate, or engage in any thing that pertains to the lower self. I expressed many of the beliefs and practices of Moorish American Moslems. I also gave her a copy of my book, What Your History Books Failed To Tell You. I concur with the brother who stated we must tell our own story. Many so-called writers, reporters, publicist, etc. do not present an unbiased view of the pristine teachings of Prophet Noble Drew Ali, because if they did, that means that they would have to conform to them. Below are some inconsistencies within the editorial (‘The Aging of the Moors’) which I would like to clear up for those who are not familiar with the Moorish Science Temple of America. (The quotations are Ms. Tasneem's, and the response is mine)
"…anyone with a little knowledge of Islam—the one associated with Muhammad and Mecca—who heard of Drew’s Islamism must have been greatly confused." This is statement is totally erroneous, as well as misleading. There were many individuals in the Moorish Science Temple of America who were familiar with Islam "associated with Muhammed and Mecca;" in fact Bro. T. Booker-Bey (GNT emeritus) reported that when he was present at a meeting where Prophet Noble Drew Ali was present, he saw 10 Arabian, 5 Turks,… join the Moorish Science Temple of America. The point that these aforementioned people joined the MSTA implies that they were not confused about Islamism.
"…small quasi-Islamic sect…" The Moorish Science Temple of America is the first as well as the oldest Islamic organization in America; it is neither sect nor faction. Our members are Moslem by creed, and Moorish American by nationality.
"…Moors, a Moroccan Muslim tribe that conquered Spain in the 7th century…" The Moors existed prior to the 7th century. The Moors trace themselves all the way back to the Garden of Eden.
"…the Moors descendants were brought to America in slave ships…" All Moors were not brought here on slave ships, most Moors were already here in America during the pre-Columbian period. Prophet Noble Drew Ali was reported to have said, "The Moors were living up and down the Mississippi River before the European man came here." "Children, you are at home, and the European is 3,000 miles from home…"
"…call their god Allah and their leader Prophet." I must affirm that our Grand Sheiks, Grand Governors, and Head Officials of our Temples are not Prophets. Prophet Noble Drew Ali is the last Prophet in these days. A Prophet is a thought of Allah manifested in the flesh. We honor all the true and divine Prophets, Jesus, Muhammed, Buddha, Confucius, etc.
"Moorish-Americans drink alcohol and eat pork. They don’t pray five times a day or travel to Mecca,…" This is an unqualified statement which is very misleading. We Moorish Americans are also Moslems, and being Moslems, we are members of the MSTA, and the MSTA derives it power and authority from the Great Koran (Quran) of Muhammed. Via the laws of the Great Koran of Muhammed, alcohol and pork is forbidden (haram). There are Moors who pray more than 5 times daily; according to the Great Koran of Muhammed, there is no set limit on prayer; supplication to Allah cannot be circumscribed. There are Moors who do accomplish pilgrimage to Mecca in the east (those who can afford it), and we also travel to the Mecca of the West, i.e. Chicago ILL., which is where Islam was established here in the West (America).
"…a minor sheik or sheikess reads the Divine Constitution and By-Laws,…" There is no such thing as a major Sheik and a minor Sheik. The Chairman reads the Divine Constitution and By-Laws as well as the Additional Laws; the Chairman is by no means considered minor, he/she is in power to make law and enforce law along with the Grand Sheik, with the assistance Prophet and the Grand Body of the MSTA.
"Parts of Drew’s book are taken from obscure Christian texts; the bulk of it is lifted almost word for word from The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ, published in 1908 by an esoteric Ohio preacher named Levi Dowling." I cannot address this subject here without leaving an extensive diatribe or soliloquy if you will, however, I will ask you to tune in to our web radio show (Know Thyself Radio) on December 2nd 2007 6pm eastern time, where we will be discussing this baseless issue. The show can be accessed by logging on to www.blogtalkradio.com/themooriam
"Drew set up shop on the south side in a rented space he called Unity Hall, on the 3600 block of Indiana Avenue." Unity Hall is located on 3140 Indiana Ave.
"In September 1928 the first Moorish convention was held at Unity Hall." The first Convention of the Moorish Science Temple of America Inc. was held October 15-20 in 1928.
"Sunday the 16th, the biggest night of the convention…" There is no such thing as the biggest night of the Convention, all Convention nights (as well as days) are exceptional. During the Convention we have Business Meetings, Religious Services, and Special Meetings.
The following is an excerpt from our Holy Prophet's newspaper, The Moorish Guide.
"The Moorish Guide feels that the greatest weapon in the hands of our group today in America is our press. The truth will never be told about a disadvantaged minority by the general press of any country, whether that minority be racial, political, or religious. Unless we express ourselves through papers of our own the truth about us will never be told. Many of our accomplishments, many of the beautiful things, many of the hopeful things and the events which mark the progress of our group, would go unrecorded were it not for the papers of our own. Our papers are our only hope for shoveling ourselves out from under the avalanche of lies that are annually let loose upon us. A strong free press is the best possible safeguard of the liberties and general promotion and defense of the interest of strong, free people." Quote from the Moorish Guide newspaper, 1928.
Peace & Blessings
Bro. A. Hopkins-Bey
Sheik, D.M., A.G.G. of Pa.
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Brother R.Edwards-El at 2:53 PM on 11/23/2007
Hear Ye, Hear Ye,
The Truth Must Be Told lest some us will fall victims to the ways of falsehood.
Set In Defense of the Gospel
It is a sadness among us as people that some of us would rather uphold the weaknesses of men rather that stand in the Defense of the Gospel - the Great God (Allah) has commanded the "Moslem" to be a witness for the truth, even if, it is against oneself.
There are people of every faith, that say, act and do things that are contradictory to the teachings of the faith they claim. Yet, this should not be interpreted to mean that their weaknesses and shortcoming are representative of the whole community and instructions of God. The holy Prophet Noble Drew Ali is a true and divine Prophet, prepared divinely in due time, by Allah, to redeem men from their sinful ways; and to warn them of the great wrath which is sure to come upon the earth.. He was (is) a "Moslem" and so declared that we were (are) Moslems according to the Great Koran of Mohammed (Mecca). For those that read, know that this Book is the CRITERION for the Moslem and in it Allah, the Great God has "forbidden" the conscious eating of pork and the drinking of fiery drinks. But, it is men in their utter weakness who has lied on Allah and have said otherwise. The holy Prophet Noble Drew Ali, after a special meeting, on July 20, 1928, told the Moors that it would take some of us 50 years before we knew what he had done on that day. In following months, the Prophet came forth, not only announcing his power and authority (you see, just like today, there were those who didn't know where the seat of authority and power was and had begun to follow their own weaknesses) but clearly explaining what was to be expect of each officer and member of this Divine and National Movement.
During the opening days of the 1st Annual National Convention, "all rules, regulations and laws of the constitution and as such as might be enacted and ordered by the Prophet shall express and explain in detail, so there can be no doubt as to what is required of each and every officer or member of the organization." He would go on to declare:
1. that we derived our power and authority from the Great Koran of Mohammed to propagate the faith and extend the learning and truth of the Great Prophet of Ali in America. To appoint and consecrate missionaries of the prophet and to establish the faith of Mohammed in America.
This single act created a religious society foundated upon the "Divine teachings and instructions of God (Allah). This being done, he would go on to explain ,that we, the "consecrated missionaries of the Prophet",
2. are to "teach men the Holy and Divine Laws, and to obey the laws of the government, because our principle is to uplift fallen humanity; teach men, upon the hedges and highways to repent from their sinful ways. That they may learn to love instead of hate."
In extending his general laws to us, he would, further state:
3. He or she must be of good moral standard and a heart of love and their works must be of Love, Truth, Peace, Freedom and Justice.
4. The are to imitate the Prophet in speech and teaching in any said temple.
5. They must not be under the influence of intoxicating liquors or any other harmful motive that will terminate to become detrimental to the organization.
6. It must not be known that any leader is staying away from home or neglecting his duty at home.
7. They must forever live the life of Love at home and it must be known by all the members.
8. every temple and head is to function by words, deeds, and actions, imitating the Prophet - especially when teaching a group of Moors, any group of Moors.
9. The heads of all Temples are to refrain from all wrathful words, profanity in the mildest form, from all the members of his or her temple.
10. They must live a life at Love, Truth, Peace, Freedom and Justice, and refrain from all alcoholic liquors or any other harmful possibility that will terminate to destroy peace or any other of the Divine Principles.
In proceeding days, the Holy Prophet Noble Drew Ali warn the Moors:
11. Some of you have slipped and slipped drasticallylly, so you had better lace up your shoes before I get there.
12. They are not to contribute to anything that will cause the public to disagree with him or her.
13. renew you acts, amend your ways. Because the great conference is on its and it is where the Law will be enforced before the great grand body.
14. those who have been delinquent may now know that they will not be tolerated any longer.
15. there is no favorite in any of the temples, for the law is laid down and everyone who claims a part of the work must be governed accordingly.
16. no man is to be under the influence of intoxicating liquors.
17. nor must he speak anything that will prejudice the minds of the public against the Divine Movement.
In summarizing his message he would declare:
18. If they lose confidence in their Prophet, they should turn in their card and botton, crease wearing their turban and fez and return to the state where I, the Prophet found you.
19. The Prophet will positively not tolerate any interference with the operation of this National Divine Movement from anyone. (Why should we ???)
Therefore, if we, today, are going to allow ourselves to be interviewed by outside forces. Let us, at least, arm ourselves with the truth and have sense enough to know the difference between it (The Truth) and the weaknesses of men, which bear not its splendor. And to those who seek to know our doctrine - before you start printing you should at least do your homework, lest you fall upon the sword of slander and find yourself in court. For we have a national leader, national press secretary, national historian; and, we have temples and ministers throughout the United States, who know the truth about our doctrine. Yes, we are incorporated in the state of Illinois and even there we have more than one subordinate temple. But, please know, we have subordinate temples throughout the United States, some being established as early as 1927, an example is SubordinateTemple #13 (now Subordinate Temple #78), originally established in the city of Baltimore. There is also Subordinate Temple #11 of Philadelphia, which was the 1st temple, re- chartered (it was originally established in 1927, also), August 3, 1928, after that special meeting on July 20, 1928. So, the Chicago temple(s) are not the only temples in this Movement with a wealth of history to share. And, as far as the Fish Fry, this too, was a tradition in other cities. In Baltimore, the Moors were knowm for their Fish, Corn Bread and Macaroni dinners. But,this is not strange, many of our people brought these southren traditions into the Movement when they came - this is the truth that must be told. Just as, again, in the city of Baltimore, the wearing of beards and the earring in the left ear, an ancient tradition brought into the Movement. But, again, when explaining these things, we should at least, point to their origin, soas, not to confuse the public as to what the Holy Prophet of Allah has prescribed as a guide to life. So, when we find those who are practicing negative behaviors and strange traditions, let us be men and women enough to tell the truth and not allow other to attach those things to our Holy and Divine Prophet or the doctrine of Allah. As for prayer, you are correct, we do not pray five times a day and neither did the holy Prophet Mohammed. Like the Holy Prophet Mohammed, we prayer more than five times a day, in fact, we pray as much as pray is needed. And, in this day and times, we need to pray every other minute but Allah is Merciful. The learned Moslems knows that pray is a petition to God and His Holy Name, when recited properly, is a prayer to His heart. That's right, to call upon His Sacred name is to call Him in prayer, that's why we do not say it lightly or without understanding !!
I AM and Remain:
Set In Defense of the Gospel
I Am prepared to separte the wheat from the shaft, upon the Threshing floor of Oran the Jebusite (for those men of letters, that know the lesson)
Brother R. Edwards-El, D.M.
Point to Ponder:
The Holy Prophet Noble Drew Ali establish his Movement to help in the Great Program of Uplifting Fallen Humanity and this includes our brothers and sisters who have found themselves in prison. I guess some of have forgotten the words of the Prophet Jesus: "When I was hurgry, you feed me not. When I was in prison, you visit me not. Lord, when were you in hurgry, when were you in prison ?? When the lest of you where hurgry, I was hurgry. When the lest of you were in prison, I was in prison.
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Sis. L. Lindsey Bey (Chicago, Il temple # 9) at 4:48 AM on 11/29/2007
~*~TRUTH CANNOT CHANGE OR PASS AWAY~*~
As a national official for the Y.P.M.N.L. This has actually hurt my feeling to read some things that were in this article.I have a whole lot of correction but some have been pinpointed already First in for foremost Johnson Bey is a last name. Bro R. Johnson Bey Sr. is NOT the only Johnson Bey. It would be polite to use the name as you heard and was told the name.
Mostly because you (Tasneem) attended some not all the meeting. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.If you did research for over a year why are so many things incorrect?( an answer would be polite)
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Bro. D. Mitchell-Bey at 4:42 PM on 11/30/2007
Islam Bro,s and Sisters.
Well I see that many facts and some mis-information has caused you to take up the banner of truth,and freedom. Being a Moslem, all of my life. Remembering Brother C. Kirkman -Bey, Rasied in Temple # 9 as a child. I commend you on your efforts to set the record straight. as for the sister who wrote this article... Brothers and sisters you must remember that the article was prepared by a Columist.. not a reporter... Facts to her did not matter... Information was used to the design of her article... A journalist... on the other hand would have researched all information recieved to produce a viable record of the Moorish Science Temple Of America...Her Main objective. was to have a lead Article in a national news media. Allah granted her that...I have not seen before such educated informed writing and information resources From Moors All over the Country... Such Beauty... You Moors should get together and Assist your Grand Bodies in producing the MOORISH VOICE... I read all of your comments a wealth of information.. We are in the 21th century you have set the record straight here... now can we see your thunder........ Publish...
Shiek D. Mitchell-Bey
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D. MITCHELL-BEY at 5:03 PM on 11/30/2007
Islam Bro,s and Sisters.
Well, I see that many facts and some mis-information has caused you to take up the banner of Truth,and Freedom. Being a Moslem, all of my life, Remembering Brother C. Kirkman -Bey, Rasied in Temple # 9 as a child. I commend you on your efforts to set the record straight. As for "the sister" who wrote this article... Brothers and sisters you must remember that the article was prepared by a Columist.. not a reporter... Facts to her did not matter... Information was used to the design her article... A journalist... on the other hand would have researched all information recieved, to produce a viable record of the Moorish Science Temple Of America...Her, Main objective was to have a "lead Article" in a national news media. Allah granted her that...I have not seen before such educated informed writing and information resources From Moors All over the Country... Such Beauty... You Moors should get together and Assist your Grand Bodies in producing the MOORISH VOICE... I read all of your comments a wealth of information.. We are in the 21th Century you have set the record straight here!... now can we see your Thunder PUBLISH!!!!
Shiek D. Mitchell-Bey
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Rufus H. Smith Bey at 9:17 PM on 1/16/2008
Bro. Edwards El you say well I hope that all that have ears to hear heard for wisdom has spoke from the highest plain of spirit life.
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Marcia Chatelain at 5:42 AM on 1/22/2008
Hi--I'm writing a book about women and girls in the MSTA. If you knew of anybody who grew up in the Temple as a young girl or teenage woman, please contact me at chatpelli@gmail.com. I look forward to hearing your stories or any insights on the movement.
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Bro. N.Bolton El at 1:22 PM on 2/23/2008
Wow, I read the article but I was not as offended by that article as much as I was by some of the text written by some of the Moors here. You all claim to be members of the MSTOA but have not followed the LAW the Prophet put before you but have followed your own roads thinking that is where the Prophet treads. Do this list all the REAL GRAND SHEIKS of the Moorsish Science Temple and Bro Kirkman Bey was not one of them and tread where they have and stop your whining when someone that does not know any better tries when you have not. You may find this hard to believe but the Prophet cared not if you drank liquor or ate pork if you were a member but once you became an officer you were to imitate the Prophet and not eat nor drink of these respectively. Know where you are now Moors you have been lead away as sheep from the real Grand Major Temple far to long. Stop you are not bigger than the Prophet. You have like children made up your own games when you could not follow the rules of the game being played to make for yourself a title when there was not one attribited to you through your attibutes. made yourselves Sheik without going through the Prophet chambers. Made yourself concubines of Moabitess in communal settings married women Moabitess without abiding by the Prophets law. Who are you? You are not the temple the Prophet left but the remnants of a torn and tattered holy cloth that wishs not to be washed and mended. Get away from all your vainfully boast heal yourself so the world may see and speak of your Greatness. HOLD YOUR PROPHET UP and Follow not only his general laws but his DIVINE CONSTITUTION and BYLAWS
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Terrance Groves-EL at 5:38 PM on 2/25/2008
It is very unfortunate that the greatest movement in our life time could be ill perceived . The Prophet Noble Drew Ali is the last word and testament of Allah's work to bring Love,Truth,Peace,Freedom and Justice to all nations and all lands this movement is everlasting and eternal and has no flaws or failures for Allah is guiding the Moors and victory is for sure !
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Bro Dave Rouse-El at 5:09 PM on 4/13/2008
One Day The New Moors Will Make these old ones look bad.Free Masons And Shriners are the real ones holding the movement back.The Prophet Noble Drew Ali(PBUH)said the western black man was a moor by birth and not thru status.
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Muulik Zaydan El at 2:02 PM on 5/27/2008
Islam, Shortly, the half that could not be told in words then ....will be now. A divinely ordained prophet of Allah would not allow his members to partake in pork or alcohol. When will the Moors who are Moslems start functioning according to our religious aims and belief, get yourselves together and be ready when he comes. That all things may be understood and all wrongs made right and other express business that must be carried on and out according to the Prophet's wishes. Every evil spirit has been lowered to try to change the foundation, and every since July 20, 1929 all in Chicago and Detriot have violated chapter 10 verse 22. The Prophet stated you all wants to sit in his seat, because thats where the money was/is, but he knew who he wanted to sit there and he knew who he wanted to handle his money and it was'nt Kirkman Bey. Soon from the soul plane you will again hear him speak from his Mighty God Heads. You all have to decide NOW if you are with him (the Prophet) or with them (anyone else).
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A'a Khefer Re El at 5:25 PM on 6/4/2008
I am asking any more that is Truly free to help me. I was freed about 2yrs from this Moor who was very successful and Knowledgeable; however, before I could finish alot of my process, the FBI came and locked him up for about 10days. He didn't commit a crime because he is a doctor, but the judge wanted him to renounce his sovereignty. Then when he got out, he just vanished into thin air. So, as of now, I am currently trying to get my writ to travel notarized before I file my UCC-103 financial statement and UCC-106. I would appreciate anyone's help because I would like to have my birth certificate moved to DC by the end of the yr. Also, there are currently no Moors where I live. Please contact me Mr_achiever@hotmail.com..
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easternadept at 3:00 PM on 6/7/2008
We agree that it is Allah alone that guides the destiny of a nation.Yes the Moorish hordes wiil increase and even now they are increasing in America. Yet we must avoid being so self-righteous and self serving that we put ourselves in the seat where Allah alone should sit.Our Moorish brothers and sisters are hurt and hurt badly. They will come from various levels with a multitude of injuries needing more than anything to be healed and loved not given more religious hurdles to jump, nor unrealistic qualifications to meet. Who is it that has reached the pinnacle of that which life is spent to build without the aid and mercy of Allah? Let those be the ones to determine who can enter the temple or who cannot.A sad weakness indeed those of us with our unceasing " holy smoke of piety " have driven literally 'millions' away from Allah, then patting ourselves on the back for a job well done.Need we additional evidence that no matter how long we have sat in the temple we have yet to learn to love instead of to hate. We have long mastered rejection but seemingly know very little of the laws of attraction.Who then shall be found where all faithful Moors were left?
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Amir Jones El at 7:01 PM on 9/11/2008
Islam,
Moors, this is a waste of time, even with all this confusion going on NOTHING could stop the movement, it's divine and with all this time we waste while a we argue amongst ourselves, we could be studying our Circle Seven Korans. Stop arguing too, you sound slightly vain, like the fools who reach into the shallow streams of their minds and show their friends pebbles, yes honors to those who are trying to clear the confusion but those who are just here to argue get off and read your korans
Islam
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lamass at 9:46 PM on 9/13/2008
what ever happened to PROPHET NOBLE ALI's records and files...what temple is holding these archeives...and whos the legitimate temple that can trace themselves back to sept 15 1929?
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Claressa Bey at 5:58 PM on 10/26/2008
It's time for the Moors to get this thing together. In unity there is strength, together we stand, divided we fall. We all must come together to solve the negro problem!
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shak el at 10:52 PM on 11/24/2008
Invite to the Moorish Orthodox Church list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mororthchuram/
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paul j. mitchell-summers -a.k.a. yusuf-el at 11:12 AM on 12/2/2008
2dec08- islam moors-
i was initiated into the moorish league by sheik rafi sharif known as the sultan... in baltimore md.... rafi passed away one week before i was out of hospital in jan. 2006... i have some doccuments from rafi... i want to know how many other moorish league members still in baltimore & surrounding maryland??? since my lung operation & later continiuing health challenges i have lost all contact with any moors in balto... there is a new york masque that serves a sufi dervish community there -they meet on thursday nites... i want to travel there but know nothing of new york & thathuge city... i am looking for other moors to travel with to interact with this sufi group... please any moors that r still in baltimore vicinity -contact me & lte us try to make this trip... i may be placed in hospital soon due to new health challenges, im telling this to warn anyone tha ti may have to take this into consideration for going to n.y....since poor rafi's passing i have not had any way to interact with any sufi's here i live in edgewood -md... peace, yusuf el
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MICHAEL LARRY EL at 5:46 PM on 1/23/2009
I CONSIDER MYSELF AS A YOUNG MOOR. CONFUSION IS A ATTRIBUTE OF YOUR LOWER SELF.ISLAM REMEMBER THE MISSION UPLIFT FALLEN HUMANITY.(MOORS)IT'S 800,000 OR MORE (NBC'S)NEGRO,BLACKS,AND COLORED. NOW THEY ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN (FEDERAL SUBJECT)CITZEN.BRO.R. JOHNSON BEY SR. HAS TEMPLE #9 HERE IN CHICAGO AND AND CAN'T EVEN REACH A THOUSAND MEMBERS. THERES PLENTY WOPRK TO DO.... KNOW THY SELF
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Bro.W.Smith-Bey at 2:43 AM on 3/12/2009
Islam I give thanks to Allah for sending Our Prophet Noble Drew Ali.I have been a member for almost thirty years. I will remain for the next thirty years.Peace
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