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      <![CDATA[I have long hated the tribune,even though  as I grew up it was delivered to my house for my parents. When entering the working world, i enjoyed the format and compactness of the Times. Also I was a "working man" now  and My brothers in the union didnt go for the trib. I see the Minneapolis trib  has just declared bankruptcy today and its a sad world for newspapers these days. Many read their news online . Perhaps the Trib and Suntimes should consider a merger  with the sun times format & styling and trib's resources perhaps they can make a go of it. People are tired of .75 for a paper  or even .50 when you can read it online or most of it anyway. Many before me in this column have stated that   papers arent giving us what we want. The trouble is when they poll us, they dont do a large enough of a sector to be accurate.  Another problem is the news seems to stop at the city borders. Hello??  There is life in the suburbs and maybe you guys should consider investigating it!  I think the main problem is that we have simply outsourced our entire lives to the other countries. We make nothing in this country any more, we invest in other countries technological advances and there  is little or no re investing in ourselves. Therefore, we have...NOTHING!!!!!
        
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      <![CDATA[It's true. Nobody wants the snobby intellect of college. That's why tuitions are so low. OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT TO BE EDUCATED!
        
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      <![CDATA[Communist homosexual Pelham:
    
    Must be nice to be sponging off the taxpayers as a tenured college professor instead of getting off your lazy butt, being an entrepeneur and giving the public what it wants, ivory tower intellectual elitist snob who hates ordinary people who work for a living.  If you hate our free enterprise system so much, why don't you GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY AMERICA?
    
    And you elitist snobs wonder why America hates you intellectuals, why the New York Post is America's fastest-growing newspaper and why FOX NEWS CHANNEL is THE MOST POWERFUL NAME IN NEWS.  It's called GIVING THE PUBLIC WHAT IT WANTS--how about doing that for a change?
        
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      <![CDATA[This just in from Tony Hunter: Readers have demanded that Tribune provide less and less content and to do everything in its power to make it crappier and crappier while working itself into a frenzy by delivering the resulting little mound of info-nuggets in increasingly infantile formats. We have listened, we have heard and we have responded.
        
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      <![CDATA[Sam Zell refused to accept that the internet had changed competition.  Now readers can get more news faster and cheaper on the web - and Tribune Corporation has simply ignored the shift.  Lowering paper cost will not save the Chicago Tribune and LA Times.  It will take a new leader, and a new strategy.  Likewise, making employees work for free is no solution for the market shifts making USAToday and Gannett less viable.  Read more at http://www.ThePhoenixPrinciple.com
        
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      <![CDATA[Desperate times call for desperate measures ... and, boy, are these guys desperate. 
    
    The Tribune brand has already been devalued to the point where it's practically worthless. Why not simply re-name the newspaper Red Eye Plus, The Printed Cubs or Lee Abrams' Plaything, thereby avoiding all of the negative baggage "Tribune" carries with it within the city limits and at El stops. People who buy the S-T for the columnists and city coverage -- or, whatever's left of it -- won't be fooled by a hideous design ... not for 75 cents, anyway. 
    
    Members of the key demographics won't pay 75 cents, either, but you might be able to fool them for a couple of weeks, anyway. Then, too, the company might consider zoning the names to suit individual subscribers and suburbs. Geezers in non-key demos -- those who still read -- can grandfather the rights to receiving the "Tribune" until they die or cancel their subscriptions ... whichever comes first.
        
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      <![CDATA[Real Person, I've tried to get Michael Miner to start an iPhone blog, but he has a lot to do.
    
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    It's all yours. Take over. All you've got to do is convince advertisers that the "key demographic" can read, and they'll beat a path to your . . . you know, um, whatever.
        
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      <![CDATA[Are any of you elitist snobs in the key demographic that advertisers want?  Or are you a bunch of senile old farts who hate the young and active?  Maybe it was time the Tribune stopped pandering to the senile old farts and giving the key demographics what they want.
    
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    Why don't you senile old farts go kill yourselves and let the new generation take over?
        
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      <![CDATA["Many consumers have been telling us that they wanted more 'friendly'' packaging, while insisting the edition includes all the useful, high-quality news and information that's in the broadsheet. They asked, and we will deliver."
    
    When I read Tony Hunter&acirc;&#128;&#153;s above memo in the Trib my first thought was, &acirc;&#128;&#156;Which consumers, when did they ask and how did they put forth their request.&acirc;&#128;&#157;. What did people do, send a letter to the Editor asking for a tabloid version of the paper?  When the CEO of the Chicago Tribune Media Group tries to peddle this manure in the name of being responsive to consumer requests then I have to question the integrity (what remains) of the paper as a whole. I feel just awful for the rank and file because there was a time, whether you agreed with the editorial board or not, that the Trib was a pretty good paper.
        
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      <![CDATA[There's also the troublesome notion on the part of not just the Zell doofuses but many in the industry that they have to ask readers what they want and be responsive to that. There's a certain logic in it, but it's pathetic.
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    Whatever happened to the idea that it's the journalists' job to find out what it is that readers should know? Have they lost all confidence in their ability to do their own jobs? Have they abandoned any sense of responsibility for delivering important news? Have they just surrendered themselves to the lazy notion that the way forward is just to churn out day after day of consumerist/celebrity slop because a handful of self-involved yuppie suburbanites in a focus group said that's what they want?
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      <![CDATA[Please read the comments on this Phil Rosenthal blog entry on the new tab Trib (the Trab?):
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    As you'll see, it's mostly negative. But not only that, people seem to be really, really upset. Whether the Trab makes any sense strategically or economically, readers seem to be utterly fed up with the constant, counterproductive, sophomoric, deceptive (all that "doing more with less" and "right-sizing" crap) stuff that's being pitched at them by the clueless Zell people.
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    If newspapers could just bring themselves to going entirely offline and getting their news services offline as well, they'd be even more (though still modestly) viable. Of course, none of these hallucinating investors/debtors/media execs with big dollar signs pasted to their eyeballs are even talking about that.
        
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      <![CDATA[If I'm running the Sun-Times, I'm revving up my troops by reminding them that the Tribune and Sam Zell HAVE no honor. Therefore, screw those honor boxes -- everyone at our shop gets assigned a route, to drop 75 cents in each box and grab ALL of the new tabloid Tribs at once. You want to play? OK, let's play!
        
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      <![CDATA[If this involves less than 10 percent of the newspaper's daily sales, one wonders why they bother. Think of the labor cost of sending drivers to all those honor boxes to put in 15 or 20 copies. It's insane. Deliver to the airports, the hotels downtown and near the airports. Dump all those boxes on the corners. It's pennies. Forget the printed paper after the home delivery. Everything else goes online.
        
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      <![CDATA[The Tribune is $13 Billion in debt and in bankruptcy. The Sun-Times is not in debt but burning through cash too fast. 
    
    Yet another feeble attempt by Tribco to run a business it knows how to run - a monopoly! 
    
    Geesh any idiot could run that kind of operation. hmm . . .  without that pesky Sun-Times the paper would have a lock on the market.
        
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