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      <![CDATA[Who would you rather read about sports, Will Leitch, or Jay Mariotti?
    
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      <![CDATA[In no particular logical order: 
    
    * The only thing about experts is that many of them can't or won't write for the everyday reader. Writing clearly and cogently is <i>not</i> that easy to learn. (I'm still learning). 
    
    Besides that, the world is full of  technocrats and academics who specialize in microslivers of knowledge. I don't think the world needs more of that -- it needs more generalists who think in big pictures, who take information from many sources, translate if necessary, synthesize and present in a way that's actually useful to people. Or more fruitful cooperation between these two types. 
    
    * It's bizarre, and kind of troubling, that the availability and visibility of information is now ruled by something called "Google," with its secret algorithms.  
    
    * Interesting stuff from Trow about television. 
    
    * Re: Daniel Larison: I'm actually an <a href = "http://www.amconmag.com">American Conservative</a> reader, but somehow missed that Larison is from the Chi. 
    
    * Information is going through the same technological shakeup that music has been going through since the '80s, when MIDI and then digital recording meant that everyone could become a "musician" in his bedroom. Suddenly, everyone <i>was</i> a musician. And a lot of that product sucked. But this also opened the doors to lots of innovation.
    
    * I agree that journalism needs more heart. Heart driving intellect, to be sure -- the engine that drives you to care enough to go get the facts, get them right, and present them appropriately. Sensationalism gets a bad rap. It's bad when it's about the latest celebutard getting a hangnail. But when it's warranted, I'd like to see more sensationalism. For example, we are getting hit up by Wall Street firms for some sensational amounts of money. What's a "trillion"? That's pretty fucking sensational. I want sensational coverage of that. Like you said, it's all about scale. 
    
    For quite some time, too, I have thought that media covering wars should either show the whole war -- meaning brains and guts splattered all over the place -- or just shut up and run Pentagon press releases. We don't cover wars, we pretend to cover them.
        
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      <![CDATA[Truly great stuff.  Novelty and truth.
    
    Although somebody's going to write a similar tome just parsing your last graph.  "It's declasse for journalists to shit on each other."  Indeed, and that could more than a mere symptom of the decline of the newspaper.  You might have noted that what gets the biggest rise out of the political blogosphere is when the bloggers shit on journalists.
        
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      <![CDATA[Once again Whet Moser shows why he's the best blogger in the city, worthy of a national audience, and that "blogger" isn't a dirty word.
        
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      <![CDATA[Surely worth the wait.  Whet, you are one of those writers that I do seek out to read.  "(I also know that "Quick Read" kind of looks like "Fuck You" if you squint)" is a great example of why I do. 
    
    However, I have kind of a mixed opinion on one of your points about what went wrong with journalism.  I think there is a place, several places, where we seek informed perspectives on various issues, but on the other hand, I still want another group of professionals to be out there at least TRYING to be objective with reporting, and NOT outright coloring an investigation with their understanding of the truth.  I want to form my own opinion of the truth from all the sources I read/view/listen to on an issue.    I get what you are saying, but gosh, even though I know objective journalism really does not exist, I still want there to be some folks out there that at least honestly attempt it.
    
    &acirc;&#128;&#156;It is easier to perceive error than to find truth, for the former lies on the surface and is easily seen, while the latter lies in the depth, where few are willing to search for it.&acirc;&#128;&#157; - Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
        
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      <![CDATA[@whet - edifying ... the SEO factor, had no idea ... wish there were a tip jar ... & thank you for underscoring the inherent passion- ultimately, the only big watch dog we have is at stake.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wow. Cogent, insightful, comprehensive(!), and beautifully written, Whet. And you managed to quote both Yeats and (swooning sigh) Roger Miller in the same article!
        
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      <![CDATA[I wish I were at the Town Hall, Whet. Great job distilling these points.
    
    I think, however, you forgot to mention the community that's sprouted around the various social media tools at our disposal. 
    
    Here in Chicago, with meetups and other events, we know better than ever before who our digital readers are, and why they read us. Everyone -- the Tribune, Sun-Times, WBEZ, even the Reader -- have all been able to drive significant amounts of traffic from the social Web.
    
    Was this discussed at the Town Hall? Either it hasn't been mentioned, or it wasn't even brought up. (Other than Twitter, of course.)
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't live in Chicagoland but was pointed to this piece by Mathew Ingram of the Globe & Mail, who mentioned it on Twitter.  Great piece about the fundamental issues.  I'm not in the media business and dread the thought of the loss of a class of professional investigators.
    
    Great comments from Jay Rosen as well about how we don't need "balance"; we need the truth.  Strong subject matter expertise can help with that, which most journalists lack (whenever I personally know something about a subject, I'm usually appalled at the poor reporting I see).  Yet really good investigators can unearth things that even the experts miss.  Maybe the professional journalists of the future will be much fewer:  those who can serve a need not served by the blogs of the subject matter experts.
        
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      <![CDATA[What a brilliant and outspoken piece of writing. Senselessly (and hence needfully) cruel and direct in its sensible wake up call. Awesome!
    
    It hits many nails on the head, hits many heads with nails. Required reading for anyone reading about why no one's reading what the business of writing is writing.
    
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      <![CDATA[Thanks for talking about the SEO stuff, Whet.  What's being "stolen" is search engine rankings. Right.
    
    If you spend 10 hours to write a story and wind up ranking 5th or 6th in Google behind sites that ripped off your copy, you are losing out.  That's the thing that's happening here.  Google's getting gamed by the HuffPo and sites like it.  Every time they get a back link, their google mojo bumps up a notch and their copied stories are that much more likely to outrank the originals.
    
    Great write-up.  And thanks for the shout-out.  We're trying to make local aggregation an organic, people-driven activity and having a lot of fun with it thus far over at the Windy Citizen.
        
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      <![CDATA[That was an AMAAAZING article - or whatever you call it. (post?blog?) I just learned so much about a whole new world, its dilemmas, its conflicts, and its marketing tricks.  I feel like I just came out of a cave after a long hibernation. How is it that I write regularly - a reporter based in Jerusalem writing for the Mainstream Mass Media about probably the most reported on conflict in modern history - and I had no idea about all of THIS. The move by journalists away from newspapers and how they are sharing their information - and paying their rent - although reporting for free. Their freedom it gives us to put more of our own voices in our stories.
    I suppose it makes sense that I discovered all this now. I have been discussing with my MSM colleagues here my desire to raise my virtual voice and share my insight in a way that I can't in my writing for The Globe and Mail or The Christian Science Monitor. 
    And I'm agitated that I have to sit on the fence and abandon the truth, as Jay Rosen describes, in order to sound 'fair,' when what I want to do is give you a much more nuanced story with my own analysis. 
    Because I am a great analyst and yet I have to go call up and interview others 'analysts,' many of whom rely on my reporting to come to their conclusions. So why shouldn't I share my own conclusions with my readers? Especially when there is so much more interesting info that I can't put into the story because IT INVOLVES ME (and we are not the story, as we are told 100x.) 
    Watch out everyone, I think I'll be jumping into those blog/twitter waters soon. I've already begun testing them. I found this article (did I already say how fantastically informational it was - a must for any beginner, comments included) after spending half the day working out my new twitter - er - website? 
    I don't even know what you call these things - but I am VERY excited to enter this new world and learn!
    
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      <![CDATA[I didn't know that Chicago Reader thinks its bad, very bad if I embed a link in my comment and that this must be prevented. So here are the urls:
    
    Abramson quote:
    
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    Revkin article on global warming:
    
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    ("Both men, experts said afterward, were guilty of inaccuracies and overstatements.")
    
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      <![CDATA[Great column.  Best I have read on the TownHall and I have read a lot of them.
    
    "I don't know. I don't know why well-compensated, well-informed, experienced professionals produce so much weak tea. Risk aversion is surely part of it."  
    
    Here's a factor you can add in. I guess it falls under risk aversion, but it's more of an <i>attraction</i>, a matter of desire.
    
    I refer to the attraction of being in the middle between warring extremes. Too many mainstream journalists think they are telling the truth when they do that, when actually they are blowing away the whole idea of truth. But this is going to be a very hard one to correct.
    
    From its origins in big market risk aversion (let's try not to piss anyone off) the "extremists on both sides" way of thinking has come to be seen as a virtue and even as a bizarre kind of guarantor of truthtelling authority.
    
    This would have been bad even before the Web, blogging and the onset of "we fact check your ass."  Now it's deadly. Very often the symmetry production itself involves distortions or some dubious "false equivalence," which immediately alert bloggers to howl. Wait long enough and the howling will generate enough opposing reactions that a second round of fake symmetry can be won from the first. "Bloggers on the left and the right objected to our story on...." That's when you know it's really bad. 
    
    Even a journalist as solid and informed as Andrew Revkin can be sucked in by this attraction, as with this <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/science/earth/25hype.html">story</a> on global warming.  He probably thinks it adds a little to his truthtelling credentials: "Hey, I dissed the big fella on climate change, Al Gore!  How agenda-less am I? More agendaless than you are, sucka!"  
    
    It's the appeal of narrative innocence we have to account for, not just an aversion to taking sides. Not only does Brad Delong know a lot as an economics professor at Berkeley and former Treasure Department official, but he isn't attracted at all to sentences like, "hyperbole is an ever-present temptation on all sides of the debate." Revkin and his editors are. They love those sentences. 
    
    As with <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/opinion/11pubed.html">Jill Abramson</a>. "I see a backwards vote of confidence in The Times&acirc;&#128;&#153;s reporting, given that every identifiable faction in this fractured collision of peoples and injustices believes so firmly that we are taking a side &acirc;&#128;&#148; someone else&acirc;&#128;&#153;s." That's the guarantor I was talking about.
    
    There's a thrill to this "vote of confidence" when there should be a groan.  At some level they love the vote of confidence more than they love truthelling. They don't know they do, and they would obect wildly to my statement. They would say I don't know anything about how newsrooms work.
    
    But I've been tracking this one. If it's a choice between remaining non-aligned (not siding with the hippies, let's say) and telling the truth as best as one can--and there are such situations--even the top people in mainstream journalism will make the wrong choice.
    
    Risk aversion, which is real enough, doesn't explain it. There's something stronger and stranger involved.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Mike Fourcher]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Great thoughts, lots here to consider. What struck me, more than anything from CJTH was that most folks on the panel (and audience members I talked to before, during and after) seemed to be seeking a future where readers get the news "we" think is good for them.
    
    The first premise we all need to absorb is that in this post-modernist news world we live in, news consumption habits have become asynchronous. Readers get what they want, when they want, where they want. Kos for politics, Gizmodo for tech, Epicurious for food. On the office desktop, on the iPod on the train, wherever.
    
    Then we can talk about the other stuff. Because the other stuff has to recognize that content has to adapt to reader demands, not reader demands to content availability.
        
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      <![CDATA[Whet: I don't really consider myself a "fair-use kiddie," but no biggie. What I would point out though is that the Huffington Post has money (basically capital funds they raised from investors) and no one has sued them yet. Given that a significant portion of what they do is "a giant copyright powderkeg" and probably just as much a (if not larger) liability as any other news organization would encounter, I feel it only validates my argument that there should be Tribune/Sun-Times versions of ChuffPo (love that term, btw).
    
    As for the ethics thing: You know what's better than having a high-and-mighty sense of "ethics"? Money. Again, it's a matter of competition and survival. You can't expect people to "play nice and fair" online and on your terms and sense of so-called "ethics" when it comes down to money.
        
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      <![CDATA[Bravo.
        
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      <![CDATA[Well-put, Whet, especially the part about writers you look forward to reading. When you raised that question, I thought of half a dozen instantly (some of whom, including Billmon, you named)--they were almost all people whose work originated outside traditional news organizations. The combination of tenacity, voice, and intelligence that I get from the best of those writers--Josh Marshall, Brad DeLong, Scott Horton, and many others--is exactly what I'm looking for in journalism.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ah! there it is: http://me3dia.com/2009/02/26/the-future-of-news
        
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      <![CDATA[That's a good point--I should have said that the people doing the bulk of the talking weren't aware of the importance of SEO.
        
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      <![CDATA[Definitely worth waiting for. Well said and well done. My own thoughts are currently being held hostage by my CMS, but hopefully it'll release them soon.
    
    I do know a bit about SEO (not enough, but that's another matter), but I could barely get a word in edgewise during the Town Hall to refute the myth that no money is being made by online publications, let alone explain how the internet works.
    
    There was a point at which I considered mentioning the Red Eye, but conversation moved on and I missed my chance. If I have one complaint about the discussion, it is that there were too many people on the panel to give any one person much time to talk. If I have two, the other is that this topic is far too large to be covered by just 14 people in just 3 hours. And while the discussion here and on all these various blogs has been vigorous and productive, the distributed nature of the discussion renders it nearly impossible to keep up with. I wish Ken Davis had thought to erect an online forum to supplement the in-person one.
        
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