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      <![CDATA[GORDON--more to come soon, though it still probably won't be enough ...
        
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      <![CDATA[So Pat--You haven't told us what you thought of C&J. Did it meet your expectations? (Me, I hadn't seen it for some 20 years, so I was relieved--and delighted--when it turned out to be even more singular than I'd remembered; I've seen an awful lot of movies in the intervening years, but C&J remains  near the top of my Films of a Lifetime list.)
        
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      <![CDATA[I last saw "Meshes of the Afternoon" on video in the house in which it was shot. A true 3-D experience.
    
    Please remember the full title is "Celine et Julie vont en bateau / Phantom Ladies Over Paris"
    
    The climatic shot of of the ghosts floating by -- with Barbet Schroeder standing up in boat and lookign straight out at us -- is one of the greatest in all of cinema.
        
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      <![CDATA["was confronted early with the dilemma of to see or not to see a film for the first time on video. I had a very knowledgable and sensitive film lover friend / co-worker who absolutely refused to see any movie on video unless he had already seen it projected in a theatre."
    
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      <![CDATA[SORRY - ONE LAST RANT:
    I remember waiting for YEARS to see BIGGER THAN LIFE projected. Me and my friend (the one who would only see movies in theatres) snuck onto the AFI lot in Los Angeles becasue the Film History Class there was screening it. As the lights went down, I regretted ever having snuck into that theatre.
    
    We were surrounded by the worst movie watching audience that I have ever witnessed. They talked out loud at the screen, letting us all know that they were smarter than some stupid 1950's movie. They laughed at all the melodramatic situations and dialogue. I wanted to kill myself. 
    
    When the screening was over, the teacher opened the floor to questions and one of those jackassses stood up and starting asking about the "Brechtian aethestic of the nuclear family BLAH BLAH BLAH !" My friend interrupted the jackass mid sentence, called him an "assassin of cinema" and we left
        
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      <![CDATA[Some of my best movie going experiences have been late a night with nothing but a dupey video. I remember the first time I watched MESHES OF THE AFTERNOON... I was alone, probably at about one in the morning (so my roommates wouldn't distract me) I had read about Maya Deren but wasn't ready for what I saw... from the time I watched that video until it was finally projected somewhere I could have seen it locally must've been at least eight years. I don't think I'd be who I am if I said I wasn't gonna watch that video and wait to see it in a theatre. I certainly would never have bought an 8mm camera and started making shorts. I remember a time being flat broke, but i spent my last 80 dollars on a rental copy of PIERROT LE FOU (becasue I didn't have a credit card to open an account) The rental clerk was baffled that anyone would spend that much money on an old and used renatl video of a foreign film they had never heard of...
    
    Having worked at several video stores in Los Angeles, I was confronted early with the dilemma of to see or not to see a film for the first time on video. I had a very knowledgable and sensitive film lover friend / co-worker who absolutely refused to see any movie on video unless he had already seen it projected in a theatre. 
    
    As such, he never watched any of the movies I obtained on video like THE PLEASURE GARDEN or UNE HISTOIRE IMMORTELLE or LES VAMPIRES or I WAS BORN, BUT...
    
    Is watching a movie on a dupey video worse than never watching it? Does it mean you haven't really seen that movie? Do you never listen to classical music because you're not actually listening to a recording of Mozart conducting his own music? Should you not read Don Quixote because it's a translation from the Spanish?
    
    We don't live in a time anymore where a Langois will screen all the movies we need to see... I can't wait forever hoping some dream theatre will project LA FILLE D'LEAU or THE WIND or BACHELOR FLAT or BEAUTY #2
        
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      <![CDATA[Re: So you have not seen the new Criterion release of A CANTERBURY TALE? The supplements are informative and fun...it will only add to your love of the film.
    
    I remember seeing The Third Man via some crappy VHS I picked from Walgreens. While I appreciate the  new discs, I sometimes miss they way I saw that awful copy/transfer.
    
    As for likability and movie hype... I don't remember liking one character more than the other in CAJGB but the initial chase is great. I waited years to see Satantango (one the more hyped unseen movies of the past 10 yrs) and it totally lived up to the hype.
    
    Breathless btw is an awful film.
        
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      <![CDATA[DANNY--not much into character likability (a matter of packaging, of strategic elisions, etc--plus i like a level playing field), so i'll probably take a pass on that last invite * but most of the other points you raise, here and earlier, are always a concern * the problem is, it's next to impossible to know what's influencing what, separate out the threads, etc ... which i guess means we're stuck with the movie we THINK we've seen--plus whatever invisible baggage it happens to bring along
    
    though sometimes straitened circumstances help: one of my favorite films of all time, powell/pressburger's A CANTERBURY TALE, i've seen only in a wretched video transfer on a wavy-lined TV monitor * transcendent anyway: all that late-edwardian archaism a generation on, like a rip through the home counties with robert blatchford circa '05, or so i'd like to imagine--though how much of this is p&p and how much simply my own private thrill at seeing this wartime rarity under dire conditions is still hard for me to parse out * and yet, it's one of the best ... from my point of view anyway
    
    final note on likability: one of the worst oscar-winning performances i can think of--renee zellweger's in COLD MOUNTAIN--could've been made infinitely more bearable if they'd simply moved the camera back a little ways ... like a thousand yards or so * "are we ready for my close-up, mr. de mille?"--not hardly yet, pun'kin ...
        
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      <![CDATA[PAT -- I hope you don't suffer from what I like to call "Build-Up Blowback" Sometimes you can hear so much hype about a movie and for so long that the build-up gets in the way of really watching that movie with fresh eyes. 
    
    The first time I saw BREATHLESS, after reading endlessly that this was the key film of the New Wave, I couldn't believe that it was considered a modern classic. I found the jump cuts annoying, the narrative boggling and the acting stilted. After growing up a little and repeated viewings I've since warmed to the charm of a first time feature movie maker having fun playing all the keys on the piano.
    
    I also hope you get in because I'd be curious to hear which character you liked more: Celine or Julie
        
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      <![CDATA[Re: pat g.
    
    You're seeing it for the first time? I envy you.
        
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      <![CDATA[DANNY--still haven't seen it, as i confessed back in february (http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/film/2007/02/25/dont-look-now/)
    --that "fledgling enthusiast" being none other than ...
    
    but this thursday's the charm, assuming i can get in--so is it fear & trembling or what?
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm sitting in my office looking at my gigantic AFFICHE for "Celine & Julie", so, that'll let you know which camp I'm in. My question is: how can any critic ever believe they're making a definitive critical statement about any movie? How many times do you have to see a movie to understand it?  Were you ready to see this move? And under what conditions did you first see it? Did the projectionist break the film? (I was at a screening of "C&J" in Los Angeles where the film broke no less than eight times) Did you see the movie in a dank museum with only four other people? Did you see the movie at a multiplex on opening night? Was it morning? Night? Had you been in a fight with a girlfriend right before? Was the popcorn stale? Was the seat comfortable? Were you sitting right behind the tall guy who kept talking to the screen?  I don't know if any of this even matters in the critical thinking of people, but I'm trying to understand how anyone who truly loves the movies could sit through "Celine & Julie" and not be astonished at the poetry of Rivette & Cie at who managed to capture all the magic of the world we live in and all in 3 brief hours... If you're assesment of this movie is that you are "monumentally bored" I can only imagine that you may have watched this movie but somehow didn't see the same movie us lucky few did.
        
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