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      <title>Comments On: That&apos;ll show ya!
    
      by Ben Joravsky</title>
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    <author><![CDATA[Orion]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[A very important part of the story did not make it into the news. 
    
    Joe Moore sponsored the ban a bit more than two-and-a-half years ago, in the fall of 2005. He had been working with animal rights extremists for months before the introduction. 
    
    The proposed ban was referred to the health committee, on which Joe sits. Hearings were held, in October 2005, and nothing was done. First days went by, then weeks, then months, and -- no word from the health committee. 
    
    Constant inquiries were made of the health committee by individual restaurants, the Illinois Restaurant Association, foie gras producers, avian scientists and others who were troubled by the proposed ban. All were told that an announcement would be made by the committee about when the measure would go to the floor of the City Council. 
    
    The announcement never happened.
    
    Instead, at a meeting two years ago, I believe in June 2006, after a business session that covered a wide range of issues, the Mayor recognized an Alderman for the purpose of passing an "omnibus" measure -- that is, a lengthy list of non-controversial items on which there was complete agreement. 
    
    The foie gras ban was included in that omnibus.
    
    There had been no announcement. The ban was not identified. No one said, "Oh, and by the way, contrary to 170 years of practice, this week we have a controversial item tucked into the omnibus on which you are about to vote..." It came as a surprise. 
    
    Unlike yesterday, the vote had not been in the news that morning. 
    
    Unlike yesterday, opponents had not been informed that the vote was coming. 
    
    Unlike yesterday, no alderman was out among his colleagues asking for votes, as Tom Tunney did.
    
    In the discussion after the vote several aldermen said they had never seen a controversial item slipped into an omnibus for a final vote by the council in their entire careers. I am not a historian of the City Council so I don't know if that is true.
    
    But we all know that when Joe Moore was winning with a process that ignored public notice and normal practice he was happy as a clam. In fact, he was on Chicago Tonight, and he could not have cared less about deceiving his opponents. He was right proud of his little ploy. 
    
    But now that his colleagues have repudiated both him and the issue which pre-occupied him for more than a year, while 49th Ward kids were struggled below state averages in achievement, he cloaks himself in due process, claiming offense at tyranny and bully tactics.
    
    That's how Joe saw fit to pass his ban. So I am not surprised that the Mayor and his colleagues decided Joe needed an object lesson to learn that as one treats others, one may expect to be treated by them.
        
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    <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 03:22:46 -0500</pubDate> 
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    <author><![CDATA[funny guy]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Are you oreo? How are you going to get people to join your battle, if you say they're a Daleyite. Voting incumbents in Chicago usually means just put another Democrat in. Surely you know that.
        
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    <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 02:09:27 -0500</pubDate> 
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      <![CDATA[Now how does voting out Incumbent Democrats put "...control in one party-Democratic."?
    
    Are you sure you're not oreo?
        
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    <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 01:43:45 -0500</pubDate> 
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      <![CDATA[Sorry I don't support those incumbents or any incumbents for that matter, so I'm definitely not oreo. Your plan won't work, because it puts control in one party-Democratic. Where are these everybody's that you know, because I don't see them voting incumbents out.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[re oreo]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Were you now?
    
    Is that so?
    
    Ya don't say.
    
    Let's see, Judy 'BattleAxe' Topinka was the best that the Repubs could come up with? Like that was anything close to an attractive alternative.
    
    The Toddler was an Incumbent ONLY due to the fraud committed by his papa's pals; yeah, the old man could have been embalmed and they would still have insisted he's up to the task of being county fraud president.
    And even then, Tony 'Pit Bull' Peraica came close, it was all those dead people voting for the Toddler that made the difference.
    
    And Daley? With his 2 hand-picked shills to both siphon off the votes of the dissatisfied blacks and turn off the rest of the non-black voters, with a pathetic voter turnout typical of this city's depressed citizenry, yeah, Incumbents have nothing to worry about.
    
    Sure thing.
    
    Everybody loves 'em.
    
    Everybody.
    
    Everybody, at least, that you know.
    
    The question is, do you know everybody?
    
    HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT
        
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          Posted by re oreo]]>
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    <pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 10:02:27 -0500</pubDate> 
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    <author><![CDATA[Doesn't Work]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Oh yes, I was so surprised in 2006 and 2007, with the re-elections of Blagoey, Strogey and Daley.
        
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          Posted by Doesn't Work]]>
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    <pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:24:10 -0500</pubDate> 
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    <author><![CDATA[re doesn't work]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Boy, are you in for one helluva surprise.
        
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          Posted by re doesn't work]]>
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    <pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:34:02 -0500</pubDate> 
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      <![CDATA[Chicagoans will never vote incumbents out.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:28:57 -0500</pubDate> 
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    <author><![CDATA[Rxem]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Mayor Daley is a petty, corrupt, mean, bully-dictator.  What Daley did is a disgrace.  Joe Moore did himself no favors.
    
    But Joe Moore is a lying, racist, stupid politician who has played soft on crime, played cozy with slumlords, and made enemies in the city council.  Joe Moore played the race card in 2007 in the aldermanic campaign in tricks that Karl Rove would be jealous of.  
    Alderman Joe Moore and his Stroger employed committeman side kick who looks like the cookie monster Fagus did not endorse any Hispanics in the last election and specifically went againt Jose Berrios and Frank Avila.  They went with the slated candidate for judge when Moldanado twisted their arm.  Some liberals are anti-Hispanic and use Blacks as pawns and think they are the white liberal masters.
    A lot of alderman would of gone against the Mayor but Joe Moore made no friends.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:28:36 -0500</pubDate> 
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    <author><![CDATA[Where The Buck Stops]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Moore is one, single alderman.
    
    Daley, as mayor, needs every last one of those 37 aldermen and alderwomen to control the city's government.
    
    If those 37 were to act contrary to the wishes of the mayor, the mayor, any mayor, effectively couldn't do shit about it.
    
    And, if the citizens of the respective wards of these 37 aldermen and alderwomen didn't reelect them, they, the aldermen and alderwomen, would return to being 'ordinary' citizens, albeit extraordinarily dishonest ordinary citizens.
    
    We citizens get the government that those we elect, and reelect, give us.
    
    In the end, we, the citizens, are responsible for it all.
    
    
    HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT
        
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          Posted by Where The Buck Stops]]>
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    <pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:52:52 -0500</pubDate> 
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    <author><![CDATA[The Broken Heart of Rogers Park]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[And yesterday Daley crushed Joe Moore like a bug.
        
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          Posted by The Broken Heart of Rogers Park]]>
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    <pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:24:06 -0500</pubDate> 
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