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      <title>Comments On: Shrinking the Sun-Times
    
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      <![CDATA[Eric Todd Brammer.....I have been looking for you for 20 years. Where are you my friend?
        
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      <![CDATA[Losing Esther Cepeda was a mistake. Send Cooke back to Canada instead.  Cruickshank can find him a job--if he hasn't already by this point.
        
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      <![CDATA[Douglas Backstrom is gone too.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ben Goldberger and Leonard N. Fleming are gone too.
        
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      <![CDATA[Howard Wolinsky (Internet reporter, formerly crack medical reporter) took the buyout too.
        
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      <![CDATA[Sneedless to say, the salary of one "headliner" columnist (whose scoops read like last week's edition of US Weekly) might have saved 4 or 5 of these folks in the trenches. Too bad.
        
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      <![CDATA[Just because someone's name is in the paper or even on the Front Page everyday doesn't mean they are invaluable. There are many people who never got a byline who are more valuable than anyone realizes, and they have no fan club to shout their name.
        
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      <![CDATA[As a veteran of the newspaper business (though not a recent one; I left it in 1991 when I was laid off some 372 owners ago from a suburban newspaper that's now part of the crumbling Sun-Times empire), I share in the mourning while at the same time saying, "we told youso." The entire indsutry dug its own grave by refusing to recognize the extraordinary potential of digital communications and convergence technology and then, even when it finally that potential, refused to alter its course or undergo change to keep up with the times. 
    
    Some newspapers did embrace change and will survive. As for the behemouths like the Sun-Times, as well as the Trib, it remains to be seen -- they may have acted/reacted too little and late.
        
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      <![CDATA[Come ON!!  Anyone who thinks the managing editor gets anywhere close to the board and investors needs better medication.  Only role board and investors would have is saying OK once to the big plan SunTimes announced in December, board/investors love job chops, the stock doubled when this was all announced.  And hey as the union buds all congrat themsevles, anyone care to wonder why we still make these decisions on "seniority" in this millennium???  THAT'S why young talent had to go, so the old grouces can stay.  There's no justice in that.
        
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      <![CDATA[Nancy Moffett is definitely a good egg and it's sad to know she won't be there. Same goes for some others who worked without bylines, aren't named in the story, and are also huge losses for the paper.
    
    As for the commenter above "hoping for a miracle that will save this industry ...", I don't know quite what to say, except: Every time we ran a story where someone was "hoping for a miracle," there was usually a body found the next day. And the body count is already high enough here. 
    
    It's going to take something real, something more than a miracle.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Bye bye Hunter]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Can't say I'll miss Hunter. Her support of Hillary was becoming more and more transparent and, thus, more insufferable.
        
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      <![CDATA[This is quite a tragic story. Watching a good newspaper get ripped and its people loose jobs is quite hard. Same story everywhere, motorola, yahoo, BofA. The list goes on and on....
        
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      <![CDATA[Jeez! Did they take Ebert off the medical plan, too?
        
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      <![CDATA[How to make the Sun-Times better:
    
    Keep it local.  Keep the heat on crooked pols. More Chicago news, less international news.  Lose that juvenile 'Quick HIts' double page spread. More Chicago history, more Chicago photos. Lose the ridiculous and nonsensical 'Chicagopedia.' More opinions, more comment. Lose Zwecker's gossip guff. 
    
    And, of course, get rid of the absurd full length photos atop the columnist's pages. 
    
    And, how's this for radical.... CAN THE SUNDAY SUN-TIMES.  It's full of Friday's news, wire stories, dull features and is a bloated mess. Sundays are for reading the Tribune, that's just the way it is.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Hellah]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[So, who's going to put out the paper now that Ms. Spak is gone? Her name was in it everyday. 
    I'm glad so many people feel "relieved" in the ST newsroom. I'm sure that isn't the word Ms. Spak, "Slash," Doug Elfman and others who find themselves on the unemployment line are using this morning.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[You can go now, Michael]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[It&acirc;&#128;&#153;s possible that one good thing has come of this: After contemptible bully Michael Cooke clumsily tried to save his cronies, the outcry was loud and clear. Now Cooke finally knows the disdain and disrespect that much of the newsroom has for him. He never can lead the Sun-Times effectively again and should depart quickly.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[The real scoop]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Take it from someone who's been keenly observing both sides from the front lines: Everyone involved spent long, agonizing hours doing what they could to save jobs. Some did more than others &acirc;&#128;&#148; specifically Don Hayner and Amanda Barrett in management; Bob Mazzoni and Misha Davenport in the guild. But ultimately it was the rank and file itself who saved the day for many. Those who were spared the ax &acirc;&#128;&#148; mainly reporters, copy editors and page designers &acirc;&#128;&#148; can thank their longtime, hard-working, well-respected coworkers who took buyouts. I don't believe that any of them really wanted to go. What Nancy Moffett said is absolutely true. Working in a newsroom is addictive and there's never a dull moment. For our highly talented but unfortunately low-seniority colleagues who didn't make the cut, know that the rest of us are extremely sad to see you go and are hoping for the miracle that will save this industry and bring you back into the fold before you end up having to take any old job.
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't think any of the management outside of Dan Miller should congratulate themselves. Miller fell on the sword because the politics of the place are beyond compare when it comes to the editorial direction of the newspaper. Many voluntary buyouts came from the business desk, as people decided to leave who did not want to work in an environment minus an editorial leader like Miller.  
    
    Mazzoni and others should also thank the good graces of very productive, relative "unknowns" who  were laid off and are leaving the newsroom quietly while they head for the unemployment office. 
    
    The key question in the Sun-Times news room was and is: What is Page one news? Do Chicagoans really need to read more about the lives of the movie stars or do they need to read more about the place where they live? 
    
    With these buyouts and layoffs Chicagoans are losing some good old-fashioned journalism that Cooke et al simply didn't get and never promoted because it was not originated by one of his hand-picked Sun-Times "stars."
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Sun-Times fan]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[M. LaVeau, mon dieu, where do you get your information? Le Cookie Monster was so busy with ze booze and ze feet and ze bonnie lasses that he had no time to save ze peon employees! He speet on them! Viva la Hayner!
        
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      <![CDATA[I think Mr. Mazzoni's gratitude is be misdirected. It was Mr. Cooke, the fellow so many want to vilify as a heartless heavy, who actually did the saving by fighting it out with the board and the stockholders.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Hecht No]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[mary mitchell and the rev. lacy j. stay? brit gossip column regurgitator and lord black apologist sneed stays, too? 
    this is supposed to be the 'city' paper and three metro editors are out?
    this makes so little sense atall.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[so-called "Austin Mayor"]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Uh... I didn't say that -- note my signature (literally) quotation marks.
    
    Lame pseudonyms are a dime-a-dozen, so why would someone crib this one?  
    
    Who knows.
    
    Anyway, best wishes to all the latest victims of Lord Black.
    
    -- SCAM
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Another recent hire]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I'm happy the atmosphere at the ST didn't turn poisonous, as I've seen happen at other papers in similar situations. But I remain baffled by the decision to hire as many people as the ST did in recent months, given the repeated bad news about the future of newspapers -- not to mention the negative headlines heard 'round the world about ST leadership. A third grader could have seen this coming. 
    
    I love the ST and I would hate to see Chicago become a one newspaper town. So I hope ST management gets its act together and figures out how to read a balance sheet. And I hope we haven't seen the last of journalists like kara spak and bob herguth.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Joe Magarac]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[That business with Gary Steckles was crookeder than a stick, and it's good to see that justice was done in the end.
    
    Although any layoff that includes Ms. Spak can't be considered all that just - her byline is so common, it's like she's carrying the paper on her back.
        
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          Posted by Joe Magarac]]>
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    <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:37:51 -0600</pubDate> 
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    <title><![CDATA[Re: Shrinking the Sun-Times]]></title>
    
    
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    <author><![CDATA[So-called Austin Mayor]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[They should be mourning Kara Spak. She's on the front page every day.
        
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          Posted by So-called Austin Mayor]]>
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    <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:07:53 -0600</pubDate> 
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