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      <![CDATA[Thanks, Pat -- I never pass up an opportunity to quote Morgan!
    A special bonus for those who read comments days late -- an aerial photograph of the original Jamestown site 
    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17642
    (h/t Alison)
    If only we had a 400-year-old aerial photograph to go with it!
        
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      <![CDATA[edmund & marie morgan provide at least the start of an answer in a recent NYROB piece
    
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20114
    
    which includes this mordant apercu:
    
    "[T]he first decade of Jamestown was a model of what not to do. Jamestown before 1616, and Virginia for half a century after, resembled a collection of undisciplined work gangs more than a colony. The population was almost exclusively male; there were few actual families; the population grew almost entirely by immigration. Most of the arrivals were male servants, bound for a term of years to whoever paid their passage, until they could grow tobacco on their own account and possibly import more bondservants for themselves. Life expectancy was probably lower than in other colonies and in England throughout the first century. The effect of these imbalances on developing institutions made Jamestown an anomalous society, before and after 1616. Why would anyone have held it up as a model?"
    
    also consider that without new england there'd be no mythological "city on a hill"--and what kind of national swamp would we be in then?
    
    new orleans!
        
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      <![CDATA[It's up -- at http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/38735.html -- all about "the Beatles and Stones, the Betty and Veronica of colonial U.S. history" if you will.
        
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