<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?>




































































  <rss version="2.0" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">
    <channel>
      <title>Comments On: Right to work
    
      by Mick Dumke</title>
      <link>http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work</link>
      <atom:link href="http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/Rss.xml?oid=942925&amp;id=comments" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />      <description>Comments On: Right to work
    
      by Mick Dumke</description>
      <language>en-us</language>
      <copyright>Copyright 2009 Chicago Reader. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, Chicago Reader readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact Chicago Reader.</copyright>
      <webMaster>wil@desert.net (Chicago Reader Webmaster)</webMaster>
      <pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0600</pubDate>
      <lastBuildDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:00:00 -0600</lastBuildDate>
      <generator>Foundation</generator>
      <docs>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss</docs>
      
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#972953]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#972953]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Well....]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[Nobody can say you didn't TRY to take your own advice.......
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Well....]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:22:27 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#972414]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#972414]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Mr. Know-Itall]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[Frank Coconutty is full of shit, He'll sell you out, He's ANOTHER dishonest asshole. Pussyfooted with Louis Farrakahan, Bruce Crosby, etc. EEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Mr. Know-Itall]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:28:11 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#967858]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#967858]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[re clout monkey]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA["...try not to give away you have no brains..."
    
    Good advice.
    
    Now take it yourself.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by re clout monkey]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:43:59 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#954587]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#954587]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Re: Baldy HEAD]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[Use spell check Coconutbag. It is bad enough you have no hair on your head, try not to give away you have no brains inside.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Re: Baldy HEAD]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:22:39 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#967666]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#967666]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Oscar]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[Leslie Hairston is a sell out.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Oscar]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:55:04 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#959330]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#959330]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Frank Coconate]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[Chris and Kate, '
    
      Mayor Daley has hurt allot of poor and middle class people with his mis-management(corruption).
      Don't fall for the bull-shit with his son. Fran Spielman and Mike Sneed are on the Mayor's Pay-Roll. I wish Army Specialist Patrick Daley well, but the only fighting he'll see is when his Mom cracks his Dad Richie in the head for using her son politically for George Bush!
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Frank Coconate]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:44:19 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#964413]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#964413]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Well....]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[It does seem puzzling, as to why practically every comment fitting your description of being "...irrelevant and hateful..." remain, while, occasionally, a few comments containing ideas and opinions of interest are quickly removed.
    
    It might seem like those having editorial authority here are leaving these insulting and obnoxious comments posted for no understandably good reasons.
    
    Or, it might be that these kinds of comments are left up to allow the reading public to truly appreciate the kinds of personalities involved in 'politics as usual'.
    
    I've found, in living my long and interesting life, (interesting to me, if to no one else), that much can be learned and understood from the negative things in life, as well as from the positive things.
    
    In every lie, there is truth.
    
    In every 'irrelevant and hateful comment' there is the opportunity to understand the nature, and relevancy, of said hate.
    
    The very old saying, "Keep your friends and family close, and your enemies even closer", starts to make sense now, doesn't it?
    
    And the reason many nonsensical comments are not removed is to provide the rope by which those who 'hate' and disparage others will hang themselves.
    
    It's our good fortune that those 'petty and angry individuals' are so consistently and dependably cooperative.
    
    So, if you think about it, there really is no good reason for you, or any thinking visitor to this blog, to 'abandon' it, or to threaten to 'abandon' it.
    
    Not if you are truly not one of those 'petty and angry individuals'.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Well....]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:51:38 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#972094]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#972094]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Hugh]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[Thanks for the report on this hearing. While Daley was stumping for his property tax increase, he took every opportunity to explain that the largest component of costs was personnel, and the largest component of that was contract obligations. Daley is locking up that rhetoric for the next decade.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Hugh]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:33:38 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#952142]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#952142]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Chris Lawrence]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[This entire blog sight has been hijacked by a few very petty and angry individuals, which is truly unfortunate since both Mick and Ben have been contributing such good coverage of politics in Chicago and Cook county.
    
    Patrick Daley is a member of a PYSOP unit, subordinate to the USACAPOC command which is a component of Special Operations and is HQ at Fort Bragg, but is not part of the 82nd Airborne Division.  It is my understanding that he was once a member of the 82nd, but currently is not.
    
    Patrick Daley joins a very few of our countries citizens who have shared in the sacrifice to protect this nation since 9/11, and I find the consistent ridicule of his service to our nation disgusting.
    
    If anyone has a problem with his fathers policies or politics, they should criticize the Mayor, but Patrick Daley is his own man who's actions should be judged on their own and is deserving of the respect we give toward any member of military is going into harms way.
    
    I wish him and his unit luck and hope for a safe return for all as they deploy into what will likely be a difficult mission, regardless of the theater.
    
    Congratulations to those who have hijacked this sight with their irrelevant and hateful comments.  I hope that the editors of the Reader will consider a new policy of posting comments on this blog in the New Year, otherwise I fear you will drive away those who have some insightful commentary and abandon this blog for others.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Chris Lawrence]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:04:05 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#963596]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#963596]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Wondering why?]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA["There are only 17 shop teachers in all of the Chicago Public Schools,"
    
    Want to know why?
    
    Think about it.
    
    Our idiot President supports "teaching for testing".
    
    Our 'educators' promote "stay in school", as if it's a given that our public schools are the only places where people can learn.
    
    These same 'educators' design the tests that purport to 'prove' that our children are 'learning' and, thus, that our teachers are 'teaching'.
    
    Our children are being taught that they will remain children until they reach the age of 18, when, as if by magic, they suddenly become adults!
    
    All the 'career counseling' in the world can't alter the perception that our 'kids' have been given, by how we allow them to be treated, that they are considered less of a person until they turn 18.
    
    We don't relate to them as adults, so they don't feel a need to think or act as adults.
    
    And when they observe how adults act and what adults think, what do you think their conclusions come to be?
    
    We act like being a fool is normal, we elect a fool as our President, TWICE, locally, we elect and reelect those who play us for chumps for DECADES, and we wonder why our offspring don't take us seriously.
    
    Our educational systems are based on a cookie-cutter mentality, designed to delay a young adult's desire for knowledge and experience until they 'become' an 'adult', at which time they are now legally responsible for their own financial obligations and are 'encouraged' to borrow the vast funds 'necessary' to pay more 'educators' for the knowledge, training and, occasionally, hands on experiences they could have been having for several years, had they not been compelled, cajoled, conditioned and 'persuaded' to deny their natural curiosities, naturally honest desires to know and to do, and their natural attractions to 'becoming' adults.
    
    A human being is most interested in knowing the moment he or she emerges from the birth canal.
    
    Throughout true childhood, ie., pre-puberty, their minds are like sponges, soaking up the experiences of being alive at a rate we so-called 'adults' can't buy for all the gold on the planet.
    
    And what do we do with all this natural energy?
    
    We send them to cookie-cutter 'schools', with curriculums designed primarily to churn out test scores.
    
    We suppress their natural curiosities, train them to be compliant and obedient little puppets, tell them things that they instinctively know are not true or are substantially not true, or things that make no sense to them, and then we wonder why they're not 'prepared' to live their lives when they turn 18 and 'become' adults.
    
    When we truly value truth, honesty, integrity, knowledge, ability, skill, intelligence, talent, natural propensity and all of the ethical concepts we claim we do, but really don't, our progeny will have a chance to be the best they can be, make our world the best that it can be and achieve the dreams and aspirations we claim we want them to achieve.
    
    Without having to deal with all the human refuse that we have had to.
    
    As the saying goes, 'doctor, heal thyself'.
    
    Or, more to the point, 'I'm from Missouri, show me.'.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Wondering why?]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:26:44 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#972709]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#972709]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[re:To Mick]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[Laugh? Patrick Daley IS ONE OF AMERICA'S HEROES , VOLUNTEERING TO PUT HIMSERLF IN HARM'S WAY TO PROTECT THIS GREAT NATION ,INCLUDING A DREG WHO HATES SPECIALIST DALEY'S father to the point that he finds Patrick going to war for us, in Afganistan,as a proud member of one of the nation's premier and elite fighting units,the 82nd Airborne Division, a joke. For his information ,Patrick Daley is a double volunteer, enlisting in the army and going AIRBORNE(Paratrooper).GOD BLESS PATRICK and all our men and women on the front lines of our FREEDOM  AND protect him and all our troops WHO ARE IN HARM'S AWAY AND AWAY FROM HOME THIS CHRISTMAS.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by re:To Mick]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:16:48 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#951988]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#951988]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[To Mick]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[Do a story on Patrick Daley. I need to laugh.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by To Mick]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:33:38 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#963548]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#963548]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Orlando]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[Dennis Gannon is a stone idiot for supporting the anti-union Todd Stroger.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Orlando]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:18:19 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#950392]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#950392]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[jolt]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[Vote them out I agree. You know what is also amazing in it takes 4 to 6 years before an apprentice can graduate to journeymen status,IN CHICAGO. Getting into a building trade apprenticeship is like winning the lottery. The  training  time has nothling to do with skill development and knowledge,only with labor monopoly. When I lived in Texas the apprenticeship time was less than half ,than here in Chicago. Building trade unions  keep the supply of labor low,to ensure the highest wages. Also some ethnic groups have  divided up certain trades. Irish Carpenters, ELECTRICIANS,and plumbers. Italians labors, teamsters, Masons. Many contractors have been forced to hire illegal aliens to avoid paying the prevailing wage ,demanded by the Building trades. I do believe in unions in general, but in this town the union mirror the politicans. Getting into a building trade apprenticeship is like winning the lottery. HAIRSTON IS A SELLOUT ,SEEKING CONTRACTS FOR HER FRIENDS.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by jolt]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:59:08 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#961195]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#961195]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[How about......]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[What, exactly, does one gain from being a member of a building trades union?
    
    Here, in Cook county and the city of Chicago, a union trades craftsman gets the benefit of union wages if, and only if, he or she is either employed by a business that has a labor contract with the particular trade union the person is a member of or employed by a city, county or state government that has a labor contract with the particular trade union.
    
    In other parts of the country, where construction trade unions have a lower standard of wages, one finds that a tradesman may earn more when operating his or her own contracting business.
    
    Furthermore, the skills and knowledge of the building trades can be used to buy, rehab and sell a variety of real property, most anywhere in this country, without the need of being a member of a trade union, depending upon all work performed being in full compliance with local building codes.
    
    And, how many individuals currently earning a living in the building trades ever attended a trade school?
    
    Many tradesmen learned their trades through teaching themselves, learning from friends and family, starting as laborers and watching how the skilled carpenters, plumbers, electricians, brick and cement masons, roofers, dry-wallers, tilers, floor-finishers, cabinetry makers, HVAC installers, etc., do their jobs, ie., using the brains God gave them to learn what they want to learn, without waiting for someone to spoon-feed it to them.
    
    Granted, at some point everyone who wishes to practice a building trade must, in most all areas of the country, be licensed, but, many areas have a fair, honest licensing process that does not include mandatory membership in a trade union.
    
    Though it may sound as if I hold trade unions in disfavor, I don't, but, one must acknowledge that, at least in some areas of this country, trade unions behave as if they are limited access, private clubs, where 'nobody dat nobody sent' need apply for membership.
    
    That's not what unions of any type were originally created to be.
    
    Rather than young citizens waiting around, hat in hand, for someone to 'give' them an education in building trade knowledge and skills, those who wish to do construction work for a living need only to get their butts down to the library, or book store, or search the Internet for the knowledge that they seek.
    
    There are plenty of books on Plumbing, Electrical, Masonry, Carpentry, Roofing, Tiling, Floor Finishing, Heating & Cooling, Drywalling, Foundation work, Excavation, and practically every subject under the sun.
    
    Shit, anyone who wants to learn ANYTHING has multiple resources to do so, none of which has anything to do with established, structured, and generally expensive, schools.
    
    We have been a country of self-starters, self-taught, independent-thinking individuals.
    
    When did it become the norm to think that we have to beg, borrow and kowtow to 'educators' to learn anything?
    
    Shit, that's why people write and publish BOOKS, for others to READ THEM and LEARN from them.
    
    Every single manufacturer of building materials, and the tools used to build with, are more than willing to provide anyone with the specs, descriptions and proper uses of what they make and sell.
    
    Why not show a little initiative and seek out whatever information and knowledge that you need, instead of complaining that 'nobody is helping' you to do so?
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by How about......]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:44:24 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#950668]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#950668]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Leslie]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[399 and the Pipefitters are racist.
    
    All racist 19th ward hacks.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Leslie]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:49:22 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
          <item>
    
    <title><![CDATA[Re: Right to work]]></title>
    
    
    <link><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#951202]]></link>
    
    <guid isPermaLink="true"><![CDATA[http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2007/12/11/right-work/#951202]]></guid>
    <author><![CDATA[Blaster]]></author>
    <description>
      
      <![CDATA[Dog and pony show, to try convince their constitutents,they are serving their interest and not Daley's. The bottom line they still voted the measure  unanimous  inspite of all the reservations. Alderman Hairston in the Suntimes interview stated Al sharpton should go back to New York. I remember when old man Daley assembled a pack of uncle tom Negroes preachers   , and demanded Martin Luther King go back down south. I guess Hairston  is worried about   not geting her share of the Olympic scam.
        
        <br />
        
          Posted by Blaster]]>
    </description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:22:39 -0600</pubDate> 
    <source url="http://www.chicagoreader.com">Chicago Reader</source>
  </item>
        
      
    </channel>
  </rss>




