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      <![CDATA[I've been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ since 1999 and was married by Rev. Wright in 1998.  I also happen to be a white, male in a predominately black congregation.  My wife is AA and she and her mother have been members for about 25 years (before Obama).
    
    Please check out the following blog if you want a better understanding about the warm, loving environment we "white" and "black" members experience.  
    
    http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com/2008/03/trinity-united-church-of-christ.html
    
    I, personally, agree with Rev. Wright's statements about  our eurocentric (white-male-dominated) society without feeling any racial guilt, because I understand what he is saying, why he is saying it, and what I can do about it.  My wife is African-American, so our 9 year-old son is a euro/afro/native american blend.  Rev. Wright's statements sound harsh and condemning to "white" american ears because we are still unable to resolve the #1 issue confronting our country and the world this century. Race and class issues must be resolved if we  want to have peace, economic stability and save the planet from destruction.
    
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      <![CDATA[(This letter is not in support of any political candidate. It is to make sure that the people of the United States are aware of what is being taught to the next generation; in hopes to overcome such barriers and continue our fight for equality and justice for ALL people of this Great Land. For over a week now, the learning of these types of sermons has brought sadness and stirred mixed feelings of anger in my heart.  After prayer and deep thought I concluded that I must do what ever I can to help bring attention to this type of hatred, and to let people know there is &acirc;&#128;&#152;a better way&acirc;&#128;&#153;).
     Webster dictionary, Racism; is hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
     The people were all jumping around and praising the lord at the thought of hating the white people, and there were CHILDREN in the congregation that day during one of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright&acirc;&#128;&#153;s famous sermons. Not a very nice picture for a white man who attends a church of mixed races and that preaches love in the name of our Lord to everyone no matter their skin color. 
    Dr Martin Luther King said that &acirc;&#128;&#156;we need not drink from the cup of bitterness and hatred&acirc;&#128;&#157;. 
    Hate is a cancer, and hate divides and has no justification.
     What has become disturbing to me is not only were the people in the crowd excited about hating white people, but also their CHILDREN were present. If the people praise hate at church then they most likely teach it at home. All this time I have stood for equality, while their children are being taught to hate my children. This threatens my family&acirc;&#128;&#153;s safety. It shatters our feelings of comfort in our surroundings. The teaching that went on in Senator Obama's church was the teachings of hate and division. Senator Obama had a choice along time ago to choose a different church, but choose to stay and subject his children to such teachings.  Instead of routing out hate Senator Obama has made excuse for it and feeds it into the next generation, by allowing his children and other children to be subjected to such a display of hatred toward other people because of their skin color.
     Babies are not born prejudiced, but children are taught it. We teach by example and perception, words do matter as they form preferences. As long as hate is passed down from fathers to sons, mothers to daughters we will have prejudice. Whether it be prejudice against the White, Black, Native American, Hispanic or Asian what ever the skin color.
     I am a white 45 year old man with four children that I have taught to be Christians and love thy neighbor no matter their skin color for it simply is not an issue with us. It seems to be a very big issue with Obama&acirc;&#128;&#153;s church as they danced around praising the hate of white people in front of their CHILDREN.
    Most men my age are proud to be Americans, and do not want to hear a pastor pushing hate like that, while we are attempting to raise our children in love and kindness. I kind of think it is or should be a form of child abuse. Actually I feel when someone summits to hate it weakens the entire race and existence of man kind. Hate in my home is considered swearing, and the feeling of hate is discouraged. 
     I WOULD walk out on my DAD if he started preaching hate, and he knows this. 
    I can not support Senator Obama after this. The risk is just too high. Our eyes must be awakened to what we are teaching our youth. The effects of these teachings on society can not be measured because of the people not knowing just how close to home it actually is, especially when a United States Senator and contender for the Presidency is a part of a ministry with these types of teachings.  Hatred being taught in cities like Chicago, or even New York City could be a contributing factor in the high levels of gang activity. Someone may have already died from such teachings. After being taught all your life to hate a certain race can only lead to further violence. Something must be done about this; there must be &acirc;&#128;&#152;a better way&acirc;&#128;&#153;.
    A signal has to be sent that this type of teaching's and division can not go on. You can not be the President of the United States and also be a part of such bashing of man kind no matter his/her skin color. Supporting Senator Obama after this would show support for such hate teachings and divisions (teaching hatred of a race to CHILDREN).  
    Senator Obama should be able to see that it was in poor judgment to belong to a church who preaches hatred within the human race, much more to stay a part of that church for 20 years. I feel for America, and all the work that we Americans have done and continue to do, to break down racial barriers. It is shocking to find out that here in America hate is being preached behind the doors and in the house of the Lord. 
     I feel that it is now time for Senator Obama to step down from public office. He still has the ability to do a lot of good things in the private sector if he chose&acirc;&#128;&#153;s. He was a part of this type of teaching, for far too long; to just simply state that he did not follow his churches ways. Actions and reactions speak in volumes much louder then speeches do.
    I certainly wish I would have had this knowledge before the primaries came through my state on Super Tuesday. Thank you for your time and please feel free to e-mail me if you wish at jimmy_sanborn2000@yahoo.com
      	The right kind of change we need now and in this situation would be teaching our children that there is &acirc;&#128;&#152;a better way&acirc;&#128;&#153;.    Thank You,        Jimmy Sanborn
    
    You can see this sermon and others like it at www.youtube.com  Titled Jeremiah Wright-Hillary Clinton ain&acirc;&#128;&#153;t never been called.
        
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      <![CDATA[That's what you get, Daley for giving these idiotic loudmouthed fake ghetto reverned's all of their power and authority.  They act like they run the city but they are just low life ghetto hustling poverty pimps.  By the way, Reverned  Not So Wright, find another bathhouse to frequent.
        
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      <![CDATA[Most Black preachers in chicago have gotten their 20 pieces of silver from Daley.They owe their Souls to city Hall.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Annono]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I previously left out the O in the Annon post.
    
    It is amazing to watch how quick the opinion shapers are to marginalize our leadership candidates.  As a result, our candidates can't run on their merit but on the merit of everyone they've ever known or associated with--if it is convenient to do so.  It is all coded messaging designed to minimize the value of competency and maximize the principles of conformity-- this from a nation founded on the principles of individual freedom of thought and expression. It goes like this: Criticize-Rationalize-Marginalize-Homogenize -and Capitalize!  Like I said--I love this country but we are weird people.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[re re Annon]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[And in the era of white man hypocrisy.
    
    This era has lasted a long time.
    
    What did the Natives of this continent say?
    
    'White Man Speak With Forked Tongue'.
        
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      <![CDATA[Annon: Right on. Wanna go back and review all of the statements regarding race that the Catholic church has issued and never rescinded? How about the Mormons? Pentecostals? Lutherans? Wright, as wrong as he may be, was unlucky enough to live in the era of videotape.
        
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      <![CDATA[Rev Wright at one time was the only  preacher from a large Black church,that would critize Daley.Every Sunday the police would write massive amounts of parking tickets,around his Church. When Barack became U.S senator,he persuaded Rev Wright,to stop critizing "The Daley Regime" The parking tickets stopped and the Church started getting city grants,and even a charter School on 95th st. The boogey man "Daley" has beaten down the Black community and its spiritual leaders.
        
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      <![CDATA[Thanks for another perspective on a very complex subject, which Sen. Obama addressed today in an extraordinary speech.
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't care what the reverend said and even less about why it is an issue for Barack Obama.  What I find really repulsive is the (ungodly) number of "pastors" from a very large and old "church" that have certifiably abused kids.  Also, from my reading of the separation of church and state doctrine-- I don't want my President's religion even mentioned or known.  Now, this issue might just be enough for me to vote for Obama in the general-- which I wasn't planning to do and am know  strongly considering.  Who cares what Wright said or does and why should it be an issue in the selection of a President?  I also don't care about the "influence-on-the-candidate" or "the-insight-to-character" bull.    I love this country, but our people are weird.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[John Powers]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I have read various apologists for the Rev. stating that his statements were taken out of context. 
    
    Please, put them in context then.  At a "universally warm, respectful, and open-minded" wouldn't one think he could avoid a broad condemnation based on race?
    
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      <![CDATA[The interesting part of this is that the broadcast media, as they can be expected to do, have focussed solely on a few, out of context, and incendiary, comments and ignore completely both the complete story and the validity of many of this retired reverend's perspectives.
    
    That's always the quality of human nature that is pandered to and manipulated, that capacity of self deception, of denying those truths which one desires not to acknowledge, let alone face or admit to.
    
    While the Truth will set you free, many don't really want to be free and, thus, are repelled by the truth.
    
    Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive....
    
    Especially to deceive ourselves.
        
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