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      <![CDATA[Vocalo is so bad!  I can never for more than 60 seconds.  It's maddening  that BEZ leadership thinks this is any good and spends money on it.  It is truly awful.
        
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      <![CDATA[Guess what guys -- six months later, Vocalo is still awful!
    
    Can we have clearance to start "hating" now?
        
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      <![CDATA[CPR sucks.  Malatie's been there more than 10 years and the place gets worse and worse.  Obvious - he has not created a single good program.  Tune to WNYC.org or the LA station on the internet and you'll hear good public radio.  We have nothing good on this lame station.  The new thing he is trying is total crap.  Vocalo - no one will listen.  He should lose his job.  The station does nothing good since he's been there.
        
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      <![CDATA[Today, Edward "I sprinkle happy pills on my munchies" Lifson is leaving "Hello! Beautiful." I'd much rather hear  8 hours of Dick Buckley than his warmed over cheeriness. And the stuff about Architecture... He knows nothing about Architecture.
    
    WBEZ is entering a no man's land where they've lost their much of their core listenership  and have been unable to attract anyone new with VOCALO, etc...
    
    We'll see how it plays out...
        
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      <![CDATA[Is this Brian from Vocalo? Your posts seem similar. And why is this argument on the table? Never should a critique of a product be shut down with a "well, let's see if you can do better." Listen, it would be like if a surgeon screwed up and when you sued him for malpractice he said, "Well, how bout we put YOU as the surgeon and see how you do." 
    Come on, man, I'm talking about creative accountability. I want Vocalo to make the best product possible because it's such a unique idea. We shouldn't have to wait until it gets better, it should be interesting, well produced, and engaging right off the bat. I don't think that's unfair. WBEZ announced these plans a while ago. If this really is Brian, and I hope at least someone from Vocalo is checking this thread out, then think of this: You have what could be one of the most important new jobs in Chicagoland media. You have a responsibility to the public to bring your 100% A game. You should operate as if this cannot fail. Stay at work until midnight, go out and get as many great stories as you can, rehearse your set a little  so you don't ramble. You have an opportunity for greatness. That's a wonderful thing. But you have to use it and excuses or defensive "well-you-just-try-it" lines are only going to bring you down. Now get your butt out of this forum and make the show better.
        
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      <![CDATA[Agreement- I don't think the host are lazy at all. From what I hear they are a one man show! I could set it up to hear what your show would sound like. Now is the product great? NO 
    but it can only get better.
        
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      <![CDATA[I find it somewhat of a relief that the comments have been for the most part well-reasoned on why Voacalo is lacking in its early stages and not an excuse for screaming for jazz to be brought back to WBEZ or WBEW.  It shows that so far, people are willing to give Vocalo a fair shake--and are finding what they are hearing disappointing.
    
    Of course, that could change with the next post.
        
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      <![CDATA[It's not really Beta, it's a soft launch and just because it's not Clear Channel does not mean it's immune from critique. The product stinks. The hosts are inept and lazy, the website is terrible, there is no discernible game plan, it sounds like college radio, and I was expecting more, a lot more. Wasn't this supposed to be somewhat of a revolution? I think the reason people are angry is because Vocalo is squandering an amazing opportunity to do something special in radio. Also, GOP DOOM, inviting us to prove we are better is a limp argument. Public Radio is supposed to serve the community. The hosts on Vocalo sound like they are serving themselves and with little interest in that as well.
        
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      <![CDATA[Great post, Whet. Since you're plugging Transom, here are two more invaluable manifestos, one from TAL producer Nancy Updike and another from NPR science correspondent David Kestenbaum. Any journalist who faces terminally dry and wildly complicated stories on a regular basis should actually keep a printout of Kestenbaum's right above their desk.
    
    http://www.transom.org/guests/review/200601_nancy_updike/
    
    http://www.transom.org/guests/review/200604_david_kestenbaum/
        
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      <![CDATA[The Current piece can be found here, for those interested:
    
    http://www.current.org/radio/radio0708malatia.shtml
    
    Torey has consistently talked about Vocalo as a way of reaching the significant African-American and Latino audience WBEZ does not.  
    
    Surely a worthy goal: to better reach large segments of the community that feel unserved by existing public radio.  But given Vocalo's incredibly low quality, Torey might want to tread carefully, lest he come off as a racist. 
    
    "See, a lot blacks and latinos don't go in for WBEZ.  So what we need to do is create some vague, amateur, and unprofessional bullshit for them."   
    
    Note: not an actual quote, just sarcasm.
        
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      <![CDATA[Transom rules. I'm slowly delving into the world of audio journalism, and it's an incredible resource.
        
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      <![CDATA[Alas, a voice of reason!  I'm glad someone finally called them out on this. What a BAD joke, and what a waste of resources.  I'm glad I didn't donate to them this year.  Beyond this awful Vocalo, they have pretty much ruined WBEZ too.  What was great public radio station is getting pretty bad very fast.
        
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      <![CDATA[You're right, I didn't hear it was in a "beta stage." Not on the station in the 10 or so hours I listened to it. Didn't see it on the Vocalo web site anywhere either. That little bird didn't find me.
    
    I'm not hating. I'm saying Vocalo is, as it stands, terrible. I wish that it wasn't.
    
    I listen to WFMT, MLB Gameday audio, and to various shows over the Internet, most of which aren't on WBEZ ('Speaking of Faith' and the recently departed BBC show 'The Department' are my favorites). So rest assured I am not a "Clear Channel SLAVE!!!"
        
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      <![CDATA[It sounds like the person that wrote this and the people who made comments have not heard that this was a beta stage. I liked what I heard.. I would love to hear what you guys could do. DONT HATE IN THIS CLEAR CHANNEL WORLD!!!! Or you might be a Clear Channel SLAVE!!!
        
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      <![CDATA[I completely agree with this. The whole thing looks/sounds terrible. There's a Strong Bad email that makes fun of college radio and it pretty much sounds like what you can hear at Vocalo.org
        
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      <![CDATA[Malatia wrote a really interesting piece for Current in May (IIRC) on Vocalo. (Don't have the link handy, but should be easy to find; I know there's a PDF out there on the Net). In re R.Barnes's point, Malatia does a better job describing what Vocalo isn't (typical public radio, a music station, etc) than what it is.
        
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      <![CDATA[Very interesting piece.  Not surprising Vocalo is so awful.  I still say Torey's complete inabiliity to give any positive account of what it was meant to be was a sure sign it was going to be a failed vanity project.  I just hope he doesn't drag BEZ down with him.
        
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