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      <![CDATA[Citizens interested in exercising their Right to Vote can find important information here:
    
    
    http://www.chicagoelections.com/voterinfo/default.aspx
        
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      <![CDATA[To support another candidate, like the aldermen, who will flip on them once in office, after taking the hard earned union dues of members that barely make minimum wage.
        
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      <![CDATA[With your suitcase full of cash, no doubt.
        
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      <![CDATA[Hey Hugh.  You don't know shit!  I am sick to death of you amateur hacks blogging about shit you have no knoweldge of. The 1st District Victory Fund disbursed less than a million dollars in the aldermanic races.  SEIU spent nearly 3 million dollars.  The Chicago Federation of Labor spent $700,000.  AFSCME spent $400,000.  UFCW spent $250,000.  Do I need to go on because I can?  If you recall, this was the largest number of aldermanic incumbents defeated in Chicago since 1947.  Once again, don't speak of things you know nothing about.  Go to bed.  You have to get up early and go down to your job at the Water Department early tomorrow morning. I am going to Iowa.
        
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      <![CDATA[Losers:
    .... Those whose ARM matured in year five, and have to take on second or third jobs
    
    ... Riders of the CTA 
    
    ... Writers and designers for the Reader
    
    
    Winners
    
    ...  Creative Loafing, it purchased a great "product"
    
    ... The buyers of 11 E. Illinois
    
    ... Debt collectors, who have no shortage of business in the new economy, which is held afloat only by shuffling debt around
        
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      <![CDATA[Winners
    
    Daley
    
    Showed he knows how to hoave his cake & eat it, how to use a PAC to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to prop up his control of the legislative branch while all the while touting his self-imposed ban on accepting campaign contributions from those seeking favors from the City.
        
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      <![CDATA[Winners
    
    Wal-Mart, Target, Walgreens
    
    Big business used Daley's First Congressional District Victory Fund to show that they could, in a few days, without breathing hard, raise & spend more campaign cash than Chicago's working folk could in many months of organizing.
    
    http://www.elections.state.il.us/CampaignDisclosure
        
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      <![CDATA[Winners
    
    Chicago Association of Realtors
    
    Decades of methodical investment in purchasing the seats of elected representatives in Chicago and Springfield pays off with the continued amassing of a slush fund which immunizes their industry from the worst effects of the most severe downturn in generations, and is completely off the table in civic discussions of education, transportation, and tax fairness.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Dan L.]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I had a child, just mildly retarded, out of wedlock. A bastard to be sure. Get my new postings at Illinoize.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[THE ELECTIONS ARE NOT FAIR]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Subject: San Francisco should not buy Sequoia 
    
    CALIFORNIA: I would like to make this statement before San Francisco County meets to discuss the purchase of Sequoia Voting Systems equipment. This meeting is to be held December 5th 2007. 
    
    My Name is Gerard Gonzalez, Visalia CA. 
    
    I worked as a WinEDS support, training and prelate expert working in many states. 
    
    My opinion is that San Francisco CA and every other State and County should not purchase WinEDS Election Management software because of non disclosure of a critical piece of software used by the Vendor and misleading statements in contracts when describing the functionality of WinEDS Election Management software. 
    
    The reason is all instruction manuals seem to describe the election creation process as a simple and quick process using only the WinEDS Election Management software. 
    
    The contracts do not mention Sequoia&acirc;&#128;&#153;s need to use a (tool) which imports the basic ballot data (text, contests, and candidates). But also at the same time processes all other calculations necessary to create a DRE image of a paper ballot. This software used by Sequoia (the tool) does not work and has never been certified or disclosed to the public. Major changes where made to the code of this software (the tool) after the completion of the databases for the Primary 2006 elections. These changes affected every database in every state for the General 2006 elections. What this means is Sequoia completed work for counties and delivered data with major errors. Sequoia then had to make changes to correct theses errors and reinstall data over and over again before beginning the 2006 General Elections. We also replaced final sets of data without the customer knowing of our actions. The prior sets of data had major errors. 
    
    The situation I&acirc;&#128;&#153;m describing, could have been a disaster in many states. 
    
    My experience is with the state of NV. All Counties in NV had to reinstall data and prelate (setup) their machines as many as three times before the data was correct in order to begin the General 2006 Elections in that State. 
    
    I would like to speak more in detail as to what type of errors would have occurred because of this uncertified piece of software used by Sequoia. Sequoia also sells this product (the tool) to counties that produce their ballots in house. 
    
    I feel since this (tool) is sold openly to Counties, that we would have the right to review the source code and it no longer would be considered a secret proprietary piece of property. 
    
    
    -Gerard Gonzalez 
    Visalia CA
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Mack has brains]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Chicago Clout is an excellent source of political wisdom, the best in Chicago. You guys are also terrific.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Thanks, Mack]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[This is beeeeeeery interesting:
    
    
    "Daley should love the reformers who got the legislature to drop the petition signature requirement from 25,000 to 12,500. 
    
    Without that change in the law Daley would not have been on the ballot at all. 
    
    He only presented 19,000+ signature in the post Sorich conviction era. 
    
    And the challenge brought his number down to 14,000. 
    
    If we had had the money and people to continue challenging his petitions, he probably would have NOT been on the ballot at all.
    
    I was there for the challenge and I saw bad signatures approved by the Board of Elections employees who were doing their best to drag the process on and keep da mare in power.
    
    Posted by: MACK | December 31, 2007 10:29 AM"
    
    from ChicagoClout, courtesy of MACK and Patrick McDonough.
    
    
    Are all the honest citizens beginning to see the light?
        
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      <![CDATA["....one of the fallen comrades."?
    
    Sounds like someone, 39th and Iron, to be specific, thinks he, or she, is living in China, or the former USSR.
    
    Perhaps that's because he, or she, is very comfortable being a part, however small, of an effective collective dictatorship.
    
    Maybe this dictatorship should change it's name from the Democratic Party of Illinois to the Dictatorship Party of Illinois.
        
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      <![CDATA[A collection pail was put out to help one of the fallen comrades. No one gave a penny. Jan Pestka is enjoying Florida, warm and sunny, with lots of money.
        
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      <![CDATA[11th man is the drukin fool in Desplaines and the creator of Frank and Pat website. He is in need of mental help. he will get it soon when loevy and loevy drop him!
        
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      <![CDATA[Not McDonutttsss!  Please don't confuse me with Coconutts!
        
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      <![CDATA[Longo will give Lococate the shlongo in the bunghole in the 41st. Mrs. Daley is in Europe spending millions and you fools will starve.
        
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      <![CDATA[Back at you 11th man !
        
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      <![CDATA[The title of this blog couldn't is on time. "Winners and Losers". I sometime have a little sympathy for all of the losers, here on this blog. I hope you guys give us a better game next year, than you guys did in 2007. To Chris Lawrence, Pat Mcdoughnut, Frank Cocohead, "HAVE NO DOUBT" whatever your name is? Mick Dumke,Ben Joravsky, Michael Shakman,David Hoffman season greetings. Better luck next year. Happy new year from the 11th Man.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[WHEN DOES HUGH RUN?]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Another poster on a past  thread once asked when does Hugh run for office and face voters himself. Instead we get hugh continuing to serial post lies ,smears, distortions on as many blogs as he can about as many officials as he can. Hugh,Hugh, Hugh,and than more Hugh on most of the referenced blogs.
        
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      <![CDATA[Winners, local bloggers.
    
    Losers, those without internet.
        
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      <![CDATA[HAVE NO DOUBT and VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT !
    
     I'm with you, all the way!
    
     keep up the good work!!!!!
        
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          Posted by Also...]]>
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    <author><![CDATA[Frank Coconate]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Mr. T,
    
      Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr used to say those exact words , before he sold out to the Daley Crew! The DEAL?
      The endorsement of O'Mama !!!!
        
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          Posted by Frank Coconate]]>
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      <![CDATA[laborpol says:
    "Political reallignment is a marathon not a sprint"
    that sounds more like an excuse, than a strategy.
        
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      <![CDATA[As if we taxing paying citizens aren't in hell already, being bled through our pocketbooks to pay for a few greedy fucks' lavish lifestyles.
    
    But you are correct, when you fear a hellish outcome, as in, it'll be hell for you and your flunky buddies to find work, after you are dismissed, with prejudice, for being the dishonest, lazy political hacks you are.
    
    And what makes you think that the jj jr.'s of this world won't also be in for a surprise?
        
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