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      <![CDATA["But, if we really want to make the speech law argument with guns, ok... If a guy can stick an upsidedown cross in a jar of urine, put it on public disply, do so with a NEA grant and say it's covered by the First Amendment, then I can carry my pistol when and where I want."<br>
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At last, a libertarian supporting funding of the arts!
        
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      <![CDATA[Samsa,<br>
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I said "some might dislike the ACLU because..." SOME.
        
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      <![CDATA[LFA:<br>
"As far as your complaint about the NRA goes, the NRA is the lobbying/legal default group when it comes to the Second Amendment"<br>
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Yes, that's my problem. I'd rather that they not be the face of responsible gun ownership in America.<br>
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"Many dislike the ACLU because they might choose to defend some Nazi's right to march in Skokie.
        
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      <![CDATA["Lastly, waiting periods do zero to prevent crime... I have had many female students over the years contact me for training, and they want it the same day.
        
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Samsa,<br>
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I never said a thing about looking at the NRA's website, I think you have me confused with another poster.<br>
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As far as your complaint about the NRA goes, the NRA is the lobbying/legal default group when it comes to the Second Amendment, much like the ACLU is for the First, Fourth and Fifth. They approach the matter from a very strict interpretation (but not strict enough for my tastes) and claim to give no quarter since what they are defending is an individual Constitutional right.
        
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      <![CDATA[Great article! The Mayor and his team of lackies are only interested in their gun control ordinance for their own personal political gain.
        
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      <![CDATA["I became a cop in 1969 and I will guarantee you the only topic at the time was the possibility of an armed uprising in the south and west side ghettos. The first Mayor Daley was absolutely terrified of that and did everythingbhe [sic] could to prevent African-Americans from getting guns."<br>
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Like what?<br>
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"Please notice that I am not hiding behind an assumed identity nor am I afraid to show my real face unlike FGFM.
        
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      <![CDATA[Interesting comments all but some are incredibly niave.<br>
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Daley and all the Alderman are covered under state law as "Conservators of the Peace". That's a bullshit law that allows Mayors and Alderman to be licensed to carry concealed weapons in Illinois and by extension, throughout the country.
        
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      <![CDATA[Da Mayor Shanks says: "We are a country of laws—we are not a country of guns," Daley said. "I don't think guns protect public safety."
        
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      <![CDATA["Well stated, samsa."<br>
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Why do you have such a hard-on for guns?
        
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      <![CDATA["law-abiding citizens, who are dying by the dozens per week due to being disarmed by the ban."<br>
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More bullshit statistics.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[J.Ryan]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[What a great piece on Chicago gun issues by Mike Dumke. I was glad to see in specific relief, the Mayors hypocrisy…again.
        
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      <![CDATA[Well stated, samsa.
        
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      <![CDATA[LFA:<br>
You're being obtuse. The point of yours that I was addressing is that the NRA doesn't oppose reasonable regulation.
        
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      <![CDATA[Here is a summation of reality from this non-NRA, non-gun owner's POV:<br>
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America is full of guns, always has been, always will be. Get used to it.<br>
People who wants guns will always be able to get them - laws are irrelevant.<br>
Laws against gun ownership or that make it very difficult to own guns will only keep guns out of the hands of people trying to legally obtain them...not criminals.<br>
Most gun crime is committed by people who should not legally have the gun in the first place (r/t #1 above).<br>
Legalize drugs.<br>
Kick out low-level, non-violent drug offenders from prisons to make room for the real bad guys...you know, the ones who rape, steal from and murder people.
        
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      <![CDATA[Samsa,<br>
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Can you explain how "waiting periods" in any way reduce crime? How making two trips to the gunshop rather than one somehow makes the world a better place?<br>
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Can you explain to me how making me wait to buy a second gun keeps me from commiting a crime with my first gun?<br>
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And do you have any idea what an "armor piercing" bullet is? I do, but I doubt most people who argue against them do...<br>
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There isn't a bullet proof vest made that any police officer can comfortably wear on patrol that will stop most rifle bullets or shotgun slugs.
        
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      <![CDATA["There is a difference between what they publish on the website and what they lobby for. You can agree or disagree in that respect, but if you speak with someone who has had lunch with an NRA lobbyist, they will tell you things that are quite different.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wakeup,<br>
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<a href="http://illinoiscarry.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">IllinoisCarry.com</a> is who sponsored the event (single event, not "meetings and rallys")regarding concealed carry last week in Chicago. It was for the most part organized by Gerald Vernon, who is an African-American who teaches Inner City Studies at Northeastern Illinois University.
        
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      <![CDATA[While I agree that the Chicago firearms ban was completely useless:<br>
"The NRA has a web site that is fully accessible to the public, no membership required. I'd love to see a single cite to the NRA saying "guns for everybody", "No restrictions" or any of the other lies I've seen posted here.
        
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      <![CDATA[Daley protects criminals and blames firearms. Criminals just love people who support gun control!
        
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      <![CDATA[While I very much appreciated Mick Dumke's report (loved all the non sequitur quotes from Daley and his crew), I question the image that was chosen to accompany it. This makes two recent Reader covers which feature Daley holding a handgun.
        
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      <![CDATA[I love it when people pull stuff out of their nether regions and make up pseudo positions that - "The NRA Sez ...". You guys are seriously either totally delusional or hysterically funny.
        
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      <![CDATA[re: wakeup's coment:<br>
" Dear Wisconsin, Obama hasn't uttered the word "guns" since he was elected, and he won't be doing so anytime before Nov 2012 when he's up for re-election. And Nancy Pelosi would never say so, but she votes in favor of the gun industry and the NRA.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wow wakeup, this issue surely must get your goat. You parrot a lot of the Brady (gun control) group's talking points.<br>
The reason no judges have HAD to rule on the 2nd Amendment is that since 1776 everyone already KNEW it applied to the PEOPLE.
        
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      <![CDATA["THIS YEAR WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY. FOR THE FIRST TIME A CIVILIZED NATION HAS FULL GUN REGISTRATION.
        
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