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Thursday, November 8, 2007

Give us our Daley bread

Posted by Mick Dumke on Thu, Nov 8, 2007 at 1:11 PM

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In the first years he was mayor, Richard M. Daley didn't have much black support. He was clearly the beneficiary of the African-American split between Eugene Sawyer and Timothy Evans, and widely dismissed as disastrous evidence of a white backlash against the Harold Washington years. While he didn't lose that often, Daley frequently had to wage bruising battles to get his plans through the City Council, with some of the fiercest criticism coming from aldermen who would later leave for higher office (Bobby Rush, Danny Davis), go to prison (Virgil Jones), or become one of his buddies (Dorothy Tillman).

So Daley and his political team came up with a new strategy: Bypass the aldermen and work through the clergy. Instead of getting support and granting favors to members of City Council or Democratic committeemen, Daley's City Hall courted black ministers, seeking their approval for administration policies or at least their appearance at press conferences. At the same time, the city funneled millions of dollars in federal money to the churches for day care and other social service programs, and helped them acquire land for church expansions and parking lots. The pastors, according to a top Daley aide, were viewed as "surrogate aldermen."

Among the early converts to Daley was the Reverend Lucius Hall, pastor of the First Church of Love and Faith on the south side. Hall was proudly photographed with Daley and endorsed him in his election bids over black candidates. Along the way, his church received thousands of dollars for social service programs, and Hall himself ended up as chairman of the city's Human Resources Board, which hears appeals from fired or punished city workers.

Last night Fox News Chicago broadcast a revealing investigative piece about Hall, the board, and Frank Coconate [scroll down], a regular poster here (who's either one of the city's great political gadflies or a self-promoting nut, depending on your perspective). Some of the numbers were first reported here. You can check it out at:  http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4866665&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1.

 

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Hey, Orion, SEIU has not taken an official position on the city budget. If we had you would have seen a very different debate. As far as our investment in the city council we feel that it has already paid off huge political dividends. BTW I would love to know why a political hack like yourself, who should be doing the people's business, is whoring for the administration on Clout City. Perhaps we could meet sometime and I could take your mask off for all to see? Would you be willing to do that or are you too afraid? Why don't we have a little wager? Lets see which one of us could get more votes in the city council for a resolutions. We could both enter a non-descript res and see who gets more votes. Wouldn't that be fun? Or maybe you are just some low level weasil who really doesn't have any juice in the city. That would explain your child like obsession with blogging for the Mayor. Desperate to be a player aren't you Orion? Life is full of little failures, isn't it? Bye, bye little fella. Let me know if you ever want to come out to play. I don't think you will though. I know your kind.

Posted by laborpol on November 8, 2007 at 1:38 PM | Report this comment
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The black community has been the biggest victims of Clergy as Councilmen by proxy. The minister mafia has Daley in their hip pocket. City jobs doled out in the black community are largely controlled through the black ministers, many of which enjoy the municipal equivalent of diplomatic immunity. The black ministers have two at least leading police officials, Dana Starks and Eugene Williams under their direct control. The west side ministers control the police department and influence choice assignments and promotions in city agencies, especially the police department and the CTA, where one of the leading ministers attempted to interfere with the felony arrest of one of the members of his church. These ministers especially those on the west side are in the pocket of west side gang members who pay them off via church contributions, to harass and demoralize the police. And I don't have to mention the drug abusing,child molesting, south side prominent minister/politician who is open and notorious with his behavior. I can't wait until the media gets wind of him.

Posted by TheAttitude on November 8, 2007 at 4:05 PM | Report this comment
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Unions exist to protect the weakest links in the labor pool. Damn near impossible to fire an incompetent like Coconuts, even when they are caught dead to right. Keep shilling for the union, chump. I will keep on feeding at the trough. And the candidates you bought and paid for will fall right in line. Happened before and will happen again. It is easy how much they can be bought off for. BTW - don't crow too loudly about beating some weak, ineffective aldermen. Beating Tillman, Coleman, Haithcock, etc, was like shooting fish in a barrell. You could not beat Bernie Stone, Vi Daley, Howard Brookins, etc. You picked the low hanging fruit . Have fun watching us flip your bought and sold alderflaks. Life is beautiful, NEXT !

Posted by Orion on November 8, 2007 at 4:15 PM | Report this comment
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.... in 2011. Dolar will beat Stone or his daughter. Right behind him through the Exit door will be Vi Daley. Brookins isn't sitting too pretty, either. You conveniently forgot to mention Daley lapdogs Natarus and Matlak getting beaten like dirty rugs.

Posted by Stone is gone..... on November 8, 2007 at 6:11 PM | Report this comment
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Rev Hall is the typical bought off Black preacher, except he specializes in using Children's programs. Once he was afflicated with the Rev Cobb and the first Church of deliverence. When Rev Cobb died he tried to hijack the Church. When the Church members rejected him, he started his own Church and started calling himself the devine prophet hall, and started wearing a bling bling gold crown. Hall has been a member of Daley's Kangaroo court since daley was first elected. I remember a guy named Rudy polk meeting with DALEY IN 1989 and telling him how to politically control the Black community. He told Daley utilize Black preachers,because they will sell out for a bag of chicken wings. Also he told Daley if he can get 20% of the Black vote ,he could be mayor for life.DALEY HAS FOUND THE REVEREND CHICKEN WING OR CHICKENS WINGS AND THEY HAS BECOME HIS PRECINCT CAPTAINS.

Posted by CHUCK on November 8, 2007 at 7:58 PM | Report this comment
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hey guy I don't know what your beef is but you sound like that loser cocohead. Daley is one of the sharpest politicians in that he utilizes and of the resources,around him including religious people,and there is nothling wrong with that. This why we are in control of city hall and the county government.

Posted by 11th man on November 8, 2007 at 8:03 PM | Report this comment
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Jerry Joyce was supporting the Michelle girl who ran against Vi. I'm just saying.

Posted by I'm with Orion usually but... on November 8, 2007 at 8:30 PM | Report this comment
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which is why we're leading ourselves and everyone to hell!

Posted by 11th man on November 8, 2007 at 8:46 PM | Report this comment
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Mick, I'm just a guy that decided to hit back.....period!

Posted by Frank Coconate on November 8, 2007 at 10:07 PM | Report this comment
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Hey, Orion! You didn't answer any of my questions. I guess you aren't up for the challenge. Let's see how much juice you really have big boy. I guess you are all bluster...just like your fellow Hall hacks. Gutless fucks!

Posted by laborpol on November 8, 2007 at 10:28 PM | Report this comment
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BTW, Orion. How many Progressive aldermen did your Mayor beat this past election.....oh ya, now I remember, despite sending his best operatives like Vic Reyes, Mikey Noonan and Greg Goldner to several races and funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars through the First District Victory Fund your "political genius" Mayor didn't defeat a single Progressive while we took down nine of his. All this in a "precinct captain's" election with historically low turn-out. Most incumbents defeated since 1947....I don't care how low hanging the fruit was, we made history at your Boss' expense. Welcome to a brave new world loser.

Posted by laborpol on November 8, 2007 at 10:34 PM | Report this comment
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Eddie Hanley, President of the nationally known and hoodlum-manipulated Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees International Union (HEREIU) is another of the Daley cognoscenti. Hanley, you will recall, took the Fifth Amendment non-stop while being grilled about his mob ties before a Senate Subcommittee a few years back. Hanley's Atlantic City Local 54 signed a consent decree with the government, effectively barring future activity in the popular coastal gambling resort community because of ties to the Angelo Bruno-Nicky Scarfo crime family of Philadelphia. Eddie Hanley was one of Allen Dorfman's clients, when Dorfman was alive and well and peddling insurance to his union pals. Eddie is also one of Richie's point men on the downtown casino project which looms over the horizon for Chicago. The Convention and Tourism Bureau represents 1,500 members. His appointment is seen as a way of fending off future labor troubles for the Daley guys when the $1 billion-dollar McCormick Place expansion is completed in 1997 and all that added convention business rolls into town. Chairman Hogan points with politically connected civic pride to a "spirit of cooperation" existing between the big trade shows coming into McCormick Place and the craftsmen with set up the exhibitor booths. The practice of "shaking down" convention exhibitors by Local 714 allies has vastly diminished, we are told. Possibly the Kaye connection had an impact. No more troublesome strong-arm problems exist to be contended with. Everybody gets along. Hogan's got the workers tied in...for now...and the Daley administration is hell-bent towards its legalized gambling destiny.

Posted by Frankie Calabres, Pat Levar, and Jesse James Jackson-Fry Junior on November 8, 2007 at 11:38 PM | Report this comment
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Dana Starks is also with the irish mafia too . He is a de lasalle graduate.Remember that is Daley's alma mater too. Cortez trotter also graduated from a Catholic high school. The preacher that is behind the both of them is Bishop Art Brazier. Either Starks or trotter are college graduates, but are trusted by the BRIDGEPORT MOB due to their Catholic up bring

Posted by re: the attitude on November 8, 2007 at 11:56 PM | Report this comment
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Rev. Lucius Hall is a complete Uncle Tom sell out. All that money millions and millions for a CHURCH--Separation of Church and State???? Go to his Church and look at how many kids are there for the Headstart for almost 4 million dollars it should be the best there are about 5 kids!!!???? Also the TAX EXEMPT status should be taken away from Rev. Lucius "Uncle Tom" Hall because he donates money through the Church to STROGER and the 8th Ward and the 17th ward VIOLATING THE LAW How can a pastor afford a ROLLS ROYCE!!!!!???????? This is a sick, twisted, demented, old school, thinks he's slick, tormented, confused, tax eating, con artist, sell out, house n-gg-r, UNCLE TOM.

Posted by Al Sharpton on November 8, 2007 at 11:57 PM | Report this comment
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I hate when white guys jump on a successful black man.

Posted by Reverend Hall Supporter on November 9, 2007 at 8:55 AM | Report this comment
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There's nothing new about clergy collaboration. But then, clergy aren't nearly as useful as they used to be. literacy rates are way up from 40 years ago. If Daley gets to the ministers, you go around the ministers. It ain't rocket science. As for Orion's boastful claims, the Daley Machine is as hamstrung as the State GOP, thanks to Patrick Fitzgerald. Alot of bark, but not alot of bite left. Yes, Daley can still squeeze contractors and business owners. Yes, he's still got a few bright people left in his camp. But the fight over the living wage was a seismic shift in City politics. The Aldermanic elections were the first of what will be many aftershocks.

Posted by Yellow Dog Democrat on November 9, 2007 at 9:55 AM | Report this comment
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"The Aldermanic elections were the first of what will be many aftershocks." Might these aftershocks include the voters applying the HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT voting strategies?

Posted by re Y D D on November 9, 2007 at 1:20 PM | Report this comment
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I hate being brainwashed by a crooked black man whom supports white crooks.

Posted by Reverend Hall Supporter on November 9, 2007 at 2:58 PM | Report this comment
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We let a few "independents" spend a few million dollars to replace some old hacks, Haithcock, Tillman, Coleman, Chandler, etc. with folks who will be right on the reservation. The unions could not beat real strong candidates, Brookins, Stone, Vi Daley. A ham sandwich would have beaten Matlack and Natarus - they were jokes. I am sure the SEIU membership would have rather seen their hard earned dues money go towards helping laundry workers get more than a 50cent/hr raise at the County hospital or help the illegals who have been marching around the Congress hotel for 5 years. Names change, results don't. Life is beautiful, NEXT !

Posted by Orion on November 9, 2007 at 6:57 PM | Report this comment
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Until Daley steals me pension and I go further into debt!

Posted by Orion on November 9, 2007 at 11:04 PM | Report this comment
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Everyone is pulling orion's chain, it's just that orion is too dumb to realize it. NEXT!

Posted by some things never change on November 9, 2007 at 11:14 PM | Report this comment
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Orion, you are certainly a revisionist historian. SEIU did not endorse against Vi Daley. As a matter of fact she met with us and practically begged us not to come after her. We cut her some slack this time but she won't be so lucky next time. For the record, we knew we weren't going to beat Brookings from the start. He polled quite well, but we wanted to divert mayoral resources into his race so that others would be made more vulnerable. I believe the strategy worked to perfection. As I stated previously, and you never attempted to retort, we defeated 9 of the mayors incumbents and defended every one of our incumbents . Most incumbents defeated since 1947. I am not sure you can count so let me do it for you. SEIU won 12 of 16 races we committed significant resources to. One more election like that and we will have 26 votes in the council. Politics is a marathon not a sprint, brother. We will get to the Promised Land, but YOU may not get there with us Orion. Nitey nite Hack!

Posted by laborpol on November 9, 2007 at 11:55 PM | Report this comment
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Is that the sound of a chain being pulled and a toilet being flushed? Is that our favorite turd swirling down the pipes? Why, yes, it is. Have a nice trip, orion, bon voyage. By the way, can you swim? And hold your breath? At the same time? Watch out for those sewer rats and alligators.......

Posted by What's that we hear? on November 10, 2007 at 1:43 AM | Report this comment
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Nice try to put a positive spin on the absurd waste of money on aldermanic races where your bought and sold candidates will be co-opted in very short order. Think Pat Dowell is in your pocket ? Hell after the University of Chicago gives her marching orders to kick more black people out of Hyde Park, Kenwood and Oakland, and she comes crawling to the Mayor, your blood money will be but a memory. Willie Cochran will be so busy sniffing Bishop Braizer and Rev. Finney's ass that he will forget all about you too. Joanne Thompson, ex-prostitute, does not know her head from her ass. Sandi "Fake nose, boobs, hair" Jackson spends the entire council meetings texting Jesse Jr. on what to do. And she will be back too. Keep deluding yourself into thinking that you made a difference. And come back when you are able to knock off a Burke, Mell, O'Connor, Allen, Laurino, Balcer, Olivo, Zalewski, Austin, Harris, Banks, or any of the spics. Which begs the question, why is such a racist entity such as the unions so interested in who's the aldermen in black wards when it is the white aldermen (Oconnor, Burke, Mell, Banks, Laurino) who control the most powerful committees ? You see they kept all of "your" winners from getting any good committee assignments. If you were really serious about a takeover, you would "man-up" and take on those with the real power, instead of treading on tired old has beens. Life is beautiful, NEXT !

Posted by Orion on November 10, 2007 at 5:08 AM | Report this comment
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White Alderman are nothing but Pct workers for Daley/ Outfit. O'Connor, Banks, Mell,Laurino, Doherty,Allen and Levar are controlled by the Outfit/Daley because of the development in there wards. The Black wards are interchangeable. Who ever is brought in is controlled by whites with very little money. Congressman Jackson insures that buy being the buffer for Daley.

Posted by Anthony King on November 10, 2007 at 7:57 AM | Report this comment
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I don't always agree with Orion and don't think the Mayor is that great. BUT Orion is essentially right on many points: 1. SEIU is worthless and had no major impact. 2. Many of the reformers and new alderman are phony and have not done anything and will not. 3. Orion is exactly right on Sandi Jackson not only when he speaks of plastic surgery but also that she has done nothing. The Jacksons are shake down artists and work with the Mayor. 4. The white ethnic and strong machine aldermanic are almost unbeatable (although some of them with large homeowner populations will vote against the property tax increase and Daley will let them)

Posted by Michael on November 10, 2007 at 10:38 AM | Report this comment
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I feel the ground under my feet getting cold cuz hell must be freezing over. There is another voice of reason on this board. Life is beautiful, NEXT !

Posted by Orion on November 10, 2007 at 11:10 AM | Report this comment
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What is your opinion on Coconate?

Posted by Orion Respond Here on November 10, 2007 at 12:41 PM | Report this comment
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Have no opinion. He is an unemployed nobody and basically a laughingstock. Life is beautiful, NEXT !

Posted by Orion on November 10, 2007 at 4:00 PM | Report this comment
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The liar orion says he has no opinion and then gives an opinion. A bona fide liar orion is. orion lies about everything. orion tells the truth about nothing. Thus, orion can be depended upon to reveal the truth whenever he lies, which is all the time. Thank you, orion, for be so very dependable. "NEXT!"

Posted by orion is a liar on November 10, 2007 at 5:35 PM | Report this comment
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I do agree with Orion on many points but not all. I am not a big fan of the Mayor but there is no alternative and he has done some good things. I am not sure why he dislikes Frank Coconate as Coconate seems interesting and reveals some things but I disagree with him on the value of the city worker, privatization, and government pensions. Coconate has a more big government or at least post FDR economic and populist position with city workers and labor unions--I alternatively have a more free market and liberatarian position. I do agree with Orion about Jesse Jackson and it is clear Sandi Jackson is doing nothing of real significance or value. I also agree with Orion on the SEIU. I also agree with Orion that these alderman are not doing much or worth much. I also agree that the strong machine alderman (mostly white ethnic but not all) are almost impossible to beat. I agree that Daley has done some good things but that does not mean we should accept corruption. There are good things Daley has done but that does not justify a tax increase. I don't believe the library premise as necessitating raising taxes.

Posted by Michael on November 10, 2007 at 9:51 PM | Report this comment
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It appears that you are a person who understands the words that orion posts, but not what orion means when he uses them. Orion doesn't make points, or even try to. Orion only makes comments to mock, to boast, to taunt, to ridicule, to deceive, to blatantly lie, to clumsily attempt to trick and fool, to promote dishonesty, to excuse thievery, to bask in his own delusions and to, on rare occasions, appear to be reasonable, rational and truthful. Orion is, at best, a Devil's Advocate and, at worst, one of many flunkies of those who are the controllers of the corrupted government we residents of this city are burdened with. Daley hasn't 'done' ANY good things. We, the taxpayers, have paid through the nose for the few benefits we've gotten for our tax dollars. Whatever good that has been done has been done by the people of this city, in spite of the immense financial burdens that have been imposed on same, by Daley and all the many thieves he conspires with. Orion, and his ilk, will always attempt to obscure the forest, the total truth, by encouraging others to focus on only a few trees, or even only on a few leaves. While you are thinking about the irrelevant crap orion posts, you are not thinking about the many things that orion doesn't want you to think about. If you are truly a person who wants to understand what is true, to form your opinions based on what is true, reading orion's bullshit, and giving what he posts any value whatsoever, will not help you to know the truth. As for there being "...no alternative..." to Daley being the mayor, that is exactly what the likes of orion want you to believe. As for "...the strong machine alderman (mostly white ethnic but not all) are almost impossible to beat.", this is also something the likes of orion wants you to believe. You, Michael, will believe what you want to, but, if you are actually honest, you will make the efforts necessary to determine what is actually true, not merely accept what the likes of orion want you to accept as true. Think, Michael and seek the truth, if the truth is what you want. You will not find the truth coming from orion, only the occasional appearance of truth, which is really nothing but lies.

Posted by uh, michael on November 11, 2007 at 2:20 AM | Report this comment
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They must be paying you by the word and not the substance because the above post is just a bunch of bullshit. Life is beautiful, NEXT !

Posted by Orion on November 11, 2007 at 1:28 PM | Report this comment
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Coconate was working for SEIU. What happened to that job? Tell the truth.

Posted by Just Wondering on November 11, 2007 at 5:58 PM | Report this comment
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Mayor Daley is going to ask the City Council for another revenue source for the $15 billion O'Hare Expansion project. The FAA burst Andolino and his money bubble. Lets see Mayor Mis-Management wiggle out of this HUGE mess! Life is Beautiful! Next!

Posted by Frank Coconate on November 11, 2007 at 6:07 PM | Report this comment
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I still I'm getting a check from SEIU , as well as Alderman Flores and Senator James DeLeo.

Posted by Frank Coconate on November 11, 2007 at 6:08 PM | Report this comment
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All for one, and one for one!

Posted by Share the Wealth on November 11, 2007 at 6:56 PM | Report this comment
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Two Superheros made a video about O'Hare long ago. See who is the smarter of the three. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1882273683360770715 Watch the entire video. Mayor Daley hates this video.

Posted by O'Hare Video Must Watch on November 11, 2007 at 7:05 PM | Report this comment
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Orion is a flaming racist like his Regular brothers! Why is it you attribute so much more power to white aldermen than you do Blacks or Latinos? All those alligned with the Mayor are Hacks!Plain and simple. On Tuesday most white aldermen will vote for the property tax increase and the Mayor's budget and we will beat 8 to 10 of them next election on that very issue. BTW, that will give Us control of the Council. Would you like to put some of your meager city parcheck on it? You know your racist rantings and constant bluster are quite pathetic. Why don't you meet me sometime and we can discuss your facist political leanings face to face? I won't hold my breathe waiting for you. You are just another Daley apologist and a coward. Enjoy your day off tomorrow...jag!

Posted by laborpol on November 11, 2007 at 9:44 PM | Report this comment
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People have very short memories, by 2011 this little tax episode will be but a memory, unless SEIU decides to waste millions more of their members meager wages/dues on more misinformation campaigns. But the easy pickings are gone. The strong alderman are beyond your reach, black or white. The electorates represented by Mell, Banks, Allen, Austin, Laurino, O'Connor, Doherty, tunney, Levar, Schulter, Carothers, Burnett, Zalewski, Brookins, rugai, Olivo, Balcer, Pope, Harris, lyle, Hariston, Burke, etc. are not like gullible sheep like the chumps that you were able to pick off in poor, black wards. Keep tilting at windmills and try to stay relevant. and yes, it is a beautiful day to have off - even more so not to have a do-nothing union in my pocket that cannot even negotiate more than 50cent wage increases for their members. Life is beautiful, NEXT !

Posted by Orion on November 12, 2007 at 5:12 AM | Report this comment
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The White Alderman have a history with the daley's. Alderman banks went to school with Richie, Marge Laurino's father was Daley's connection to the mob, PJ Cullerton and Richie played together as children while her father and old man daley met,Levar and Doherty are just easy to control so why get rid of them. Alderman Mell, Lipinski, Degnan,Joyce,Burke, and Stone put Eugene Sawyer up to finish out Washingtons term with the Idea llittle Richie could destroy sawyer. So there is a sense of loyalty by Rich Daley. Bottom line Richie goes down so do all the kings men!

Posted by Frank Coconate on November 12, 2007 at 8:14 AM | Report this comment
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Daley Stays Coco Puffs Gone.

Posted by The Real Deal on November 13, 2007 at 11:48 PM | Report this comment
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The Almighty PHALLUS like his boys Tom Tanqueerbate, Tony "I Have A Sunni Muslim Wife" Prickraica, Jessay Juniah, Michael Shitheadman, Terence Burnout, etc.

Posted by Coconut Worships..... on November 14, 2007 at 1:39 PM | Report this comment
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Somebody's really got a crush on you, Frank, somebody can't their mind off you, somebody's thinking of you, 24/7/52. Maybe it's time for you get an order of protection, before this sicko shows up on your doorstep, begging to be spanked.

Posted by must be 'obsession' on November 14, 2007 at 8:34 PM | Report this comment
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Don't worry, He gets spankings from ALL his stooges, Including the names mentioned above.

Posted by Coconut Is Nuts on November 14, 2007 at 9:22 PM | Report this comment
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I'm glad luscious Lucius has learned from the colonial and African slave traders! Sell us to the high bidder, because that's the American way which keeps me pension and me fatter!! Life is beautiful, NEXT !

Posted by Orion on November 15, 2007 at 8:20 PM | Report this comment
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ANYONE on this blog with a negative word to say about Pator hall are true haters. So what he got a nice whip and can live how he wants to. He's bring souls to Christ idiots. Anyone on this blog with those negative comments, PROVIDE PROOF OR SHUT THE____ UP!

Posted by Rev Hall supporter 4 life on November 19, 2007 at 1:58 PM | Report this comment
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How does rev hall "...brings souls to Christ..."? By living a life that's an example of the life Christ led? By taking the many words Christ spoke and sincerely applying them? By teaching and sharing the wisdoms Christ attempted to share with those who nailed him to the cross? By living a Christ-like life of having no material possessions? By wandering from place to place, offering to teach those who would listen about the many Truths of His Father, a few being to: Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself Do Unto To Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You Honor Thy Father And Thy Mother Bear No False Witness Against Thy Fellow Man Thou Shalt Not Kill Thou Shalt Not Steal Judge Not, Least Thee Be Judged Covet Not What Thy Neighbor Has Love Thy Enemy Turn The Other Cheek By rejecting the many temptations of the flesh? By living a life of simplicity and minimum needs? By being true to the examples Christ set for those who would choose to value and appreciate them? By welcoming the guidance of the Holy Spirit in his heart and soul, guidance that is available to any and all who choose to sincerely and honestly seek it? Guidance which needs no man to interpret or explain? Just how is this person you are so loyal to bringing souls to Christ? Or, could it be another to whom this person is bringing those souls you refer to?

Posted by re rev hall follower on November 19, 2007 at 3:48 PM | Report this comment
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Pastor Hall is bringing them to Hell!

Posted by Rev Hall supporter 4 life on November 19, 2007 at 4:33 PM | Report this comment
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Stop hating on this holy man of God. Why is the focus being put on the type of vehicle he drive? Maybe the haters on the blog don't have a luxury vehicle or probably don't even have a car. Pastor is a great human being. It's apparent that some of the idiots on this blog DON'T KNOW THE LORD. So in the meantime, "NO MATTER WHAT MAY BE THE TEST, GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU"..... Some of you may not know and understand what that means.. But I say to anyone that's anti-Pastor Hall, GET A LIFE!

Posted by FCLF 4 Life on November 20, 2007 at 8:02 AM | Report this comment
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Only God is great, not some phony paster. People who worship pastors need to get a life and worship God.

Posted by FCLF 4 Life on November 20, 2007 at 2:32 PM | Report this comment
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whoever u are. I worship GOD at all times. i don't worship Pastor Hall. but feel this right here, "It doesn't make a difference what you think of me, but it does make a difference what I think of you".. enjoy your holiday and stop hating on Rev Lucius Hall. God Bless You.

Posted by FCLF 4 Life on November 20, 2007 at 5:25 PM | Report this comment
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The spirit of the anti-christ is alive and well, embodied in the arrogant statement "It doesn't make a difference what you think of me, but it does make a difference what I think of you". Exactly what satan feels for all eternity. Welcome to club hell, fclf 4 life.

Posted by wonderful on November 20, 2007 at 8:43 PM | Report this comment
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People who always defend/blindly follow their pastors, tell others to get a life and say only my opinion counts are doing just what Satan wants. Jim Jones' followers found that out the hard way.

Posted by idol worshippers on November 20, 2007 at 11:47 PM | Report this comment
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Now that you have ruined an honest man's integerty, did he hire Coconate back to work? What is the status of Coconate's Job? Please answer.

Posted by Just Asking on November 20, 2007 at 11:58 PM | Report this comment
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Honest men don't associate with Daley!

Posted by Honest Men on November 21, 2007 at 12:14 AM | Report this comment
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Who do they associate with????, HOPEFULLY NOT that fucking asshole Jesse Jackoff Junior. If THAT'S what you mean, Then FUCK YOU!!!!!!.

Posted by re; Honest Men on November 24, 2007 at 12:18 AM | Report this comment
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I want Jesse Jackoff Junior to FUCK ME!!!!!!

Posted by re; Honest Men on November 24, 2007 at 4:18 AM | Report this comment
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Nobody sucks dick more than Jesse Jackoff Jr & Tony Peraica, Ask Honest Men, Ho-Ho!!!!.

Posted by Jackson & Peraica Suck Each Other on November 26, 2007 at 3:52 PM | Report this comment
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We also suck Daley's dick!

Posted by Jackson & Peraica Suck Each Other on November 26, 2007 at 7:46 PM | Report this comment
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Damn, orion, how many phony posts are you gonna put up on this thread? "NEXT..."

Posted by so many pseudonyms on November 26, 2007 at 11:13 PM | Report this comment
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Honest Men is SO desperate that he has to use the "Jackson & Peraica Suck Each Other" name, WHAT a FUCKING COWARD!!!!!. Go back to your NAMBLA meetings, Sick fucker.

Posted by However...... on November 27, 2007 at 1:14 PM | Report this comment
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I am the chair of NAMBLA! I love Jackson & Peraica!

Posted by However...... on November 27, 2007 at 3:23 PM | Report this comment
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Go fuck yourself, Jessay Jr's Sodo-Pedo BLOWJOB ARTIST KING!!!!!!.

Posted by Not The PLAGERIST on November 27, 2007 at 7:56 PM | Report this comment
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I must work on my spelling and grammar, before I bow to Jesse and Ritchie!

Posted by Not The PLAGERIST on November 27, 2007 at 8:22 PM | Report this comment
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Don't talk to yourself McDildo.

Posted by Fcuk U Too on November 27, 2007 at 9:36 PM | Report this comment
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Shhh...I'm praying to Daley now!!!

Posted by Fcuk U Too on November 29, 2007 at 5:44 PM | Report this comment
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......And SAY, YUMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Posted by Chris Lawrence & His Boyfriends Suck Jesse Jr's Cock on November 30, 2007 at 12:37 AM | Report this comment
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"......And SAY, YUMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!." So, is this what you say, after your clout is finished using your pie hole?

Posted by So..... on December 1, 2007 at 9:34 PM | Report this comment
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Who have two or more earrings like your Jesse Jr cockboys & talk feminine.

Posted by No Not Like You Cocklickers on December 4, 2007 at 2:59 PM | Report this comment
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All the things we, as citizens, are taught, about how our governments work, why we have governments, why we have elections, the reasons for our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, our courts, legislatures, executive branch, the purpose of taxes, etc., are rendered void, when those whom we entrust with these powers of government are not trustworthy. That's always the weak link in any chain, the people who we depend upon to be trustworthy, strong links in that chain. Concerning the legitimate functions of governments, those functions being the making of laws, the interpreting of laws and the application of laws, completely legitimate governments exist in theory only. Since governments at all levels are made up of human beings, and, as there is no such thing as even a single, perfect human being, governments cannot ever be completely legitimate, completely honest or completely beneficial to every citizen. That being said, governments can be substantially legitimate, should they be composed of substantially honest human beings. Since our governments consist of those we elect, and those hired by those we elect, it is apparent that the honesty of our governments is dependent on the honesty of those we elect, said honesty being dependent upon the honesty of we, the electorate. As has been seen, the honesty of the electorate is not enough to ensure honest governments. What is lacking is the commitment of the electorate to participate in the electoral processes. That means that those many, honest citizens who long for honest governments must support their desires for honest governments by electing honest people. Electing honest people means that citizens must do three basic things: 1) REGISTER TO VOTE 2) VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION. 3) VOTE IN SUCH A MANNER THAT ONLY SUBSTANTIALLY HONEST PEOPLE WILL BE ELECTED The first two actions that the citizens must take, to ensure honest governments, are actions well within the control of each individual citizen. The third action presents some apparent difficulties, as, historically, those presented to the citizens, as candidates for elected offices, have been sorely lacking in substantial honesty. Since the vast majority of candidates presented to the electorate have come from the two self-proclaimed 'major' political parties, the Democrats and the Republicans, both parties each presenting themselves as the authentic, rightful heirs of Democracy, and, since much of our governments are not substantially honest, nor made up of individuals who are substantially honest, it is clear that the source of our lack of honest governments can be found in the Democratic and Republican parties. Furthermore, since these two, self-proclaimed 'major' political parties, both touting themselves as the rightful heirs to our Democratic form of governments, routinely dominate the selection of candidates presenting themselves to the electorate for consideration, it can be seen that the citizens' only hope of having honest candidates is for the citizens to compel, through the power of their votes, the presenting of candidates who are substantially honest. Substantially honest candidates are unlikely to come from either the Democratic party or the Republican party, as, were the Democrats or the Republicans interested in honest people, both parties have had many opportunities to provide same, and, typically, have not done so. Thus, it is left to the citizens to cast their votes in such a way as to enable those honest citizens, who truly want to serve honestly, to have the opportunity to present themselves to the voters on election day. HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT can be that way. REGISTER TO VOTE VOTE ON ELECTION DAY DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY INCUMBENTS When your choice is between only 2 candidates, the incumbent and a single challenger, VOTE FOR THE CHALLENGER, regardless of party affiliation. When you have the choice between only 3 candidates, a Democrat, a Republican and a candidate of neither party, vote for the candidate of NEITHER PARTY. VOTE to NOT RETAIN whenever you have the choice to do so. Reject each and every Democrat and Republican at every opportunity. When faced with more than 3 candidates running for a given office, concentrate your votes by voting per Ballot Position, as in: If the INCUMBENT's name is listed FIRST, then vote for the candidate whose name is LISTED LAST or If the INCUMBENT's name is NOT listed first, then vote for the candidate whose name IS LISTED FIRST. Focus on ousting EVERY incumbent currently in office, making exceptions sparingly, and ONLY if you are CERTAIN that an individual incumbent has proven, to your satisfaction, to be WORTHY of being reelected. Force the changes, (through the committed use of the power of your votes), that those in control of our governments, (and, thus, our pocketbooks, through their power to tax), have refused to implement. The historical misuse of dominant party politics is what has deprived the 'common' citizens of having any significant influence on those individual human beings who are routinely elected, and reelected, to positions of governmental power. To effect changes in the ways in which our presently dysfunctional governments function, we, the voting citizens, must use our Right to Vote to remove from office every elected official who has been responsible for being irresponsible. Since most all currently elected public officials are either Democrats or Republicans, it is obvious that the Democratic and Republican parties are the source of our presently corrupted and mismanaged governments; here, in Chicago, here, in Cook County, and here, in Illinois. Our elected Democrats and Republicans have dependably failed to authentically serve the interests of this city, county and state's citizens for generations. We, the citizens, are, in great part, responsible for allowing them to do so. We, the citizens, have the inherent power, of our Right to Vote, to exercise, to end this ongoing corruption and mismanagement. We only lack the will to do it. Until we, the citizens, step up and utilize our collective Right to Vote, we will continue to be subjected to the ill effects of corrupted and mismanaged governments. The ball has always been in our court, we have only to realize this and act in our best interests. HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT

Posted by Essentials on December 5, 2007 at 1:42 PM | Report this comment
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HUGH'S TURNSPEAK THESIS GOES ON AND ON! CLASS IS OVER AT THE MAJOR CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY,AND OUR "PROFESSOR OF TURNSPEAK" IS NOW COVERING ALL THREADS WITH MORE OF HIS LIES AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST GOVERNMENT AND THOSE WHO SERVE THE PUBLIC! HUGH TALKS ABOUT "CLOUT MONKIES", LET'S TALK ABOUT "TENURE MONKIES", WHO HATE OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT!

Posted by HUG'S TURNSPEAK THESIS on December 5, 2007 at 3:02 PM | Report this comment
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....Like his boytoy Jessay Juniah!!!!.

Posted by Hugh Sux on December 5, 2007 at 3:06 PM | Report this comment
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"...OUR (army of clouted halfwits are) NOW COVERING ALL THREADS WITH MORE OF (their) LIES AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST (all those who see them for what they are, namely, lazy, dishonest thieves, who exploit their positions in) GOVERNMENT AND (falsely claim they are among) THOSE WHO (truly) SERVE THE PUBLIC!" Nicely written. My sentiments exactly.

Posted by nice work on December 5, 2007 at 5:16 PM | Report this comment
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THIS IS A "TURNSPEAK" PRIMER BY AN OBSESSED, HUGH. "CLOUTED HALFWITS"?-TO OPPOSE HUGH'S RANTINGS AND HALLICINATORY ALLEGATIONS MAKES ONE ,A "CLOUTED HALFWIT",BUT THIS PHD COMPUTER PROFESSIONAL AND PROFESSOR,WHO IS TOTALLY OBSESSED AGAINST ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND THOSE WHO SERVE IN IT, THINKS HE IS AN EXPERT ON EVERYTHING,AND HIS HALLUCINATIONS ARE GOSPEL!HUGH, HOW CAN YOU MAKE SUCH BLANKET FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST EVERYONE IN GOVERNMENT, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?OH ,AND ONE MORE THING,HUGH,WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO RUN FOR OFFICE?

Posted by RE:NICE WORK(AND TURNSPEAK) on December 5, 2007 at 8:50 PM | Report this comment
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So, are you learning anything? Obviously not, as you are consistently sticking to playing your only note, that note being to 'Tell the BIG lie with confidence and repeat ad nauseum.'. The ALL CAPS is your only variation. And, I might add, quite impressive.

Posted by So..... on December 5, 2007 at 10:54 PM | Report this comment
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THE "BIG LIE" PRACTIONER ACCUSES SOMEONE ELSE OF EMPLOYING THAT PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUE PERFECTED BY NAZI PROPAGANDA MINISTER JOSEF GOEBBLES.ONCE MORE WE ALSO SEE "TURNSPEAK",FOR "NOT HUGH"(LOL), CONTINUES TO PLAY HIS ONE NOTE AGAINST ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS, TWISTING AND DISTORTING PUBLIC RECORDS not only AS FALSE GRIST FOR HIS ANARCHIST MILL,BUT TO LEVEL HALLICINATORY ALLEGATIONS, BLANKETLY ,ON ALL WHO SERVE THE PUBLIC.

Posted by re:SO on December 6, 2007 at 10:03 AM | Report this comment
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Are there any linguistic students out there who would like to take a shot at figuring out what non-English language is the native tongue of the ALL CAPS poster? Just for the sport of it? 'Cause I can't figure out where this guy originally came from.

Posted by Hmmmm... on December 6, 2007 at 11:17 AM | Report this comment
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IF THAT IS WHAT I'VE REDUCED YOU TO,"NOT-HUGH", YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST YOUR LONG ANARCHY/SEDITION CAMPAIGN HERE ON THE READER BLOGS!EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS ENGLISH WHEN THEY READ IT & SO DO YOU, SO IS THIS YOUR ADMISSION OF DEFEAT?NOW WHAT LANGUAGE IS YOUR NATIVE TONGUE,"NOT-HUGH"?

Posted by RE:HMMM on December 6, 2007 at 1:31 PM | Report this comment
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"...ADMISSION OF DEFEAT..." "...EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS ENGLISH WHEN THEY READ IT..." "...ONCE MORE WE ALSO SEE..." "...TO LEVEL HALLICINATORY ALLEGATIONS, BLANKETLY ,..." Not to mention your fetish for ALL CAPS and no sentence breaks and your complete ignorance of what a paragraph is and what it's used for. Well, at least you usually manage to put a space in between each word........

Posted by Still wondering on December 6, 2007 at 2:32 PM | Report this comment
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"HUG'S TURNSPEAK THESIS December 5th - 3:02 p.m. HUGH'S TURNSPEAK THESIS GOES ON AND ON! CLASS IS OVER AT THE MAJOR CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY,AND OUR "PROFESSOR OF TURNSPEAK" IS NOW COVERING ALL THREADS WITH MORE OF HIS LIES AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST GOVERNMENT AND THOSE WHO SERVE THE PUBLIC! HUGH TALKS ABOUT "CLOUT MONKIES", LET'S TALK ABOUT "TENURE MONKIES", WHO HATE OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT!" "RE:NICE WORK(AND TURNSPEAK) December 5th - 8:50 p.m. THIS IS A "TURNSPEAK" PRIMER BY AN OBSESSED, HUGH. "CLOUTED HALFWITS"?-TO OPPOSE HUGH'S RANTINGS AND HALLICINATORY ALLEGATIONS MAKES ONE ,A "CLOUTED HALFWIT",BUT THIS PHD COMPUTER PROFESSIONAL AND PROFESSOR,WHO IS TOTALLY OBSESSED AGAINST ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND THOSE WHO SERVE IN IT, THINKS HE IS AN EXPERT ON EVERYTHING,AND HIS HALLUCINATIONS ARE GOSPEL!HUGH, HOW CAN YOU MAKE SUCH BLANKET FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST EVERYONE IN GOVERNMENT, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?OH ,AND ONE MORE THING,HUGH,WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO RUN FOR OFFICE?" "re:SO December 6th - 10:03 a.m. THE "BIG LIE" PRACTIONER ACCUSES SOMEONE ELSE OF EMPLOYING THAT PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUE PERFECTED BY NAZI PROPAGANDA MINISTER JOSEF GOEBBLES.ONCE MORE WE ALSO SEE "TURNSPEAK",FOR "NOT HUGH"(LOL), CONTINUES TO PLAY HIS ONE NOTE AGAINST ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS, TWISTING AND DISTORTING PUBLIC RECORDS not only AS FALSE GRIST FOR HIS ANARCHIST MILL,BUT TO LEVEL HALLICINATORY ALLEGATIONS, BLANKETLY ,ON ALL WHO SERVE THE PUBLIC." "RE:HMMM December 6th - 1:31 p.m. IF THAT IS WHAT I'VE REDUCED YOU TO,"NOT-HUGH", YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST YOUR LONG ANARCHY/SEDITION CAMPAIGN HERE ON THE READER BLOGS!EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS ENGLISH WHEN THEY READ IT & SO DO YOU, SO IS THIS YOUR ADMISSION OF DEFEAT?NOW WHAT LANGUAGE IS YOUR NATIVE TONGUE,"NOT-HUGH"?" Happy now?

Posted by THE LAST WORD on December 7, 2007 at 9:49 AM | Report this comment
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BUT YOU DID BACKTRACK ON A MORE RECENT POST,BUT YOU QUALIFIED THAT BACKTRACK,"NOT HUGH".

Posted by FOR NOW on December 8, 2007 at 5:17 PM | Report this comment
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What is Democracy? Is it a form of governing where the citizens are 'leading' their elected 'representatives? Or is it a form of government where those elected are leading the citizens?

Posted by Concepts on December 9, 2007 at 8:53 AM | Report this comment
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BOTH

Posted by RE:CONCEPTS on December 9, 2007 at 11:52 AM | Report this comment
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In what proportions?

Posted by Concepts on December 10, 2007 at 12:28 AM | Report this comment
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I think Orion and all the others sitting on the computer just continuing to write over & over again and having nothing to say are a bunch of no life having dick suckers! Who do we blame? Your mothers, they are the assholes who raised bigger assholes!

Posted by N.O.Y.B on October 12, 2008 at 5:57 AM | Report this comment
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Laugh now (:

Posted by N.O.Y.B on October 12, 2008 at 5:58 AM | Report this comment
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Bishop Hall is a great man of God and is living the life that he preaches about to the people. He is also Planning His Work and Working His Plan. Those that don't know him get to know for yourself.

Posted by True Supporter on December 16, 2008 at 10:19 AM | Report this comment
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I'm brainwashed into supporting crooked preachers, instead of God and Jesus.

Posted by True Supporter on January 6, 2009 at 12:00 AM | Report this comment
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I'm a dick sucker too.

Posted by N.O.Y.B. on January 6, 2009 at 12:01 AM | Report this comment

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