Tuesday, June 7, 2011
Crime / Politics / Clout City Police chief McCarthy expresses dislike for gun control "abolitionists"
Posted by Mick Dumke on 06.07.11 at 07:00 AM
Jody Weis wasn’t the only ex-city official that new police chief Garry McCarthy attempted to distance himself from on Monday. He also signaled a distaste for the gun control policies of former Mayor Richard M. Daley.
“My goal is to bring the gun debate back to the center,” McCarthy told aldermen. “I think that we have abolitionists on one side and I think that we have NRA and those kind of folks on the other side, and frankly it’s too polarizing a debate, and 95 percent of the country is somewhere in between.”
That is not something that would have been uttered by a Chicago public official a month ago. Daley was a relentless advocate of tough gun control laws—one of the “abolitionists” McCarthy referred to—and he tolerated no open dissent in city government.
Nearly every year he was mayor, Daley responded to the annual warm-weather surge in violence by calling for tougher gun laws at the state level. When reporters questioned him about crime, he would go off on rants about guns, the NRA, access to guns, gun manufacturers, and Supreme Court justices who didn’t see it his way. Daley and police officials, including Weis, boasted of how many guns they seized off the street—an average of nearly two dozen a day, at last count—but ducked and dodged (and sometimes did other strange things) when asked what that said about the effectiveness of local gun laws.
Daley ordered city lawyers to fight a challenge to Chicago’s 28-year-old handgun ban all the way to the Supreme Court, even after justices had struck down a similar law in Washington, D.C. When the court essentially knocked down Chicago’s ordinance last year, he muscled the City Council into enacting a replacement within four days—even though law enforcement officials rarely use the local laws.
The city ordinance remains one of the strictest in the country. It allows gun registrations, but limits possession to the home and requires owners to undergo classroom training, travel outside the city for time on a range, and submit to a third background check (two were already required under state law).
Daley’s fire and ire on the subject extended into his last press conference with reporters this spring, when he railed against supporters of a proposed state conceal-and-carry law. “Go to your church and someone sitting next to you has a loaded weapon—if that’s want you want in your country, I feel sorry for you,” he said.
Rahm Emanuel hasn’t signaled a major change in policy. The plan released by his transition team—which he calls the “scorecard” for his administration—promises to “strictly” enforce the city’s law and to press for stronger gun control legislation at the state and federal levels.
The report also pledges to step up efforts to trace illegal weapons and to track information about gun crimes and gun offenders. “Data will be made available to the public through existing technology platforms,” the report says.
McCarthy appeared to take a bolder step in his testimony before the council’s public safety committee Monday. “The Chicago Police Department does an incredible job of getting guns out of criminals’ waistbands—every year this city basically leads the country in gun recoveries,” he said. “That’s not good enough. The question is, what do we do after that?”
He said there were plans in the works for stanching the flow of illegal weapons into the city. But, he added, “that’s something I can’t go into right now unless you want to take a lot more time.”
The aldermen didn’t.
Still, 14th Ward alderman Ed Burke had another question about gun enforcement a little later. Burke noted that last year the council passed an ordinance requiring the police department to create a gun offender registry. Like similar databases for sex offenders, the registry would keep a log of the whereabouts of anyone convicted of city, state, or federal gun laws. The idea was taken from similar efforts in Baltimore and in New York City, where McCarthy was a cop for 25 years.
The only problem, Burke said, was that the Chicago Police Department has yet to implement the ordinance.
“I was actually one of the big proponents of that philosophy in New York City—I’m a big believer in it,” McCarthy said. “We all know that it’s a small percentage of the population that commits a vast majority of the crime. Anything that we can do as far as interceding in gun violence, we need to do.... I have the experience, I know what we did in New York, and want to be able to do it here and I will do it here because I think it’s a critical component of what we do.”
That’s when McCarthy offered his unsolicited thoughts on the “polarizing” debate that he says has taken over discussions about gun policy. He said he wanted to look at the issue differently.
“I think that we can protect the Second Amendment rights of people to bear firearms while at the same time preventing the illegal flow of firearms into our urban centers and killing our children,” he said. “That’s a pretty wide gap, and there’s someplace in between that we can come as a country.”
McCarthy noted that he’s the chairman of a policy committee on gun control for the Major Cities Chiefs Association. "That’s one of the things I’m committed to. And with a platform like Chicago, Illinois, I think we can bring attention to the matter and get something done.”
He didn’t specify what that something would be.
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While I detest the idea of everyone packing heat, statistics clearly show that gun violence is, indeed, carried out by a very tiny percentage of people who own guns. The ones that obtain them and register them legally are very rarely those that then use them to commit a crime. The folks who commit crimes - for the most part - don't care about laws...and passing any number of them related to guns will not affect these folks. Other strategies need to be employed for this group. Gun ownership laws really only affect law-abiding folk.
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"The folks who commit crimes - for the most part - don't care about laws...and passing any number of them related to guns will not affect these folks."
Would be news to all those people in prison with felony raps for violating gun laws. But who needs reality when you've got an ideology?
Chicago's indefensable laws on firearms ownership poisons their argument every time they get in front of a court. After a few more trips up to the Supreme Court, Chicago won't even be able to require registration.
I don't really like the idea of loads of armed people floating around the City, but otoh, I am certainly not taking any opinions seriously from politicians who have exempted themselves from laws they demand we follow.
given that our current policies aren't working, why not try something different?
the only other thing we can do is to press for more federal enforcement of the gun shops in those bible thumper states where the guns are coming from. Years back I read that the overwhelming majority of handguns are coming to Chicago from Mississippi and Indiana.
"Chicago's indefensable [sic] laws on firearms ownership poisons their argument every time they get in front of a court."
I believe that the current laws are at least somewhat similar to those in New York City.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/permits/…
"After a few more trips up to the Supreme Court, Chicago won't even be able to require registration."
Seems unlikely.
"given that our current policies aren't working, why not try something different?"
Fine, stricter gun laws!
When has increasing the number of guns ever failed to make a situation better?
-- MrJM
"Fine, stricter gun laws!"
If it was shown to work, I'd back it. But it seems like a bit of a cop-out (pun intended) when it comes from the likes of police-budget slashing politicians like Hizzoner.
The unavoidable fact is where we seem to need the stricter gun laws is down South.
So, strict gun laws don't work here but they'll work in the South? Interesting theory!
I don't think its a coincidence that the places that have the most restrictive gun ownership laws also have the highest rates of violent crime. Criminals NEED unarmed victims. Armed persons have a way of not falling into the "victim" category.
Then again I'm not surprised at the chief's position. When do police not advocate for a police state?
The bottom line is that if you don't protect yourself and your dependants there is no one doing it. Protecting you is not the police's job. SCOTUS is quite clear on this.
Castle Rock v. Gonzales
Warren v. District of Columbia
Riss v. City of New York
Bowers v. DeVito
Calogrides v. City of Mobile
Chapman v. City of Philadelphia
Davidson v. City of Westminster
Hartzler v. City of San Jose
Keane v. City of Chicago
Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice
Marshall v. Winston
Morgan v. District of Columbia
Morris v. Musser
Reiff v. City of Philadelphia
Sapp v. Tallahassee
Silver v. Minneapolis
Simpson’s Food Fair v. Evansville
Stone v. State
Weutrich v. Delia
"given that our current policies aren't working, why not try something different?"
"Fine, stricter gun laws!"
LOL, why don't you just put your hands over your ears and go "NAH NAH NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU NAH NAH NAH NAH!!!"
But like you said, who needs reality when you have an ideology?
Look around. The whole rest of the country is making it easier and easier to arm yourself. If you want to waste all your scrillah losing SCOTUS challenges, by all means, be my guest. Sounds like a great way to ensure that your kids will have educations that won't get them jobs that earn livable wages, and your infrastructure can continue to crumble. That's a sure way to lower the crime rate, huh genius? Detroit, here you come.
"Look around. The whole rest of the country is making it easier and easier to arm yourself."
Indeed. It's very easy to get a gun in New Orleans and they have the highest murder rate in the nation!
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/0…
...New Orleans is far deadlier than other cities.
Using the recently revised U.S. census population estimate of 336,425, the city had a per-capita murder rate of about 52 per 100,000 people in 2009. That's down from the two previous years, where rates ranged from 57 to 71 per 100,000 people, depending on which population estimates were used.
A shifting populace has made crime rates difficult to nail down, but even using the most generous estimates, New Orleans has ranked among the nation's most murderous cities for several years.
Richmond, Calif., a city of nearly 103,000 that sits north of Oakland, has the second-highest per-capita rate at 46 murders per 100,000 residents. Next are St. Louis and Detroit, both of which have a per-capita rate of about 40. Baltimore is fifth on the list with 37.
Baton Rouge, with a rate of 34 murders per 100,000 people, has the sixth-highest rate in the country.
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"Detroit, here you come."
Flash mobs!
"I don't think its a coincidence that the places that have the most restrictive gun ownership laws also have the highest rates of violent crime."
What about New Orleans and Baton Rouge, genius?
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/201…
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence issued its state rankings last week and identified Louisiana as among the states with the weakest gun laws in the nation.
Louisiana tied for second to last place in America, along with Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Kentucky and Oklahoma -- earning just two points out of total of 100. Only Utah, with zero points, fared worse on the Brady index....
But Louisiana earned a couple of points in the Brady ranking for rejecting legislation that would have forced colleges and universities to allow concealed and loaded guns on campus.
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Gun grabbers!
"So, strict gun laws don't work here but they'll work in the South? Interesting theory!"
You need a course in reading comprehension.
Go back and read what I wrote, the problem is gun shops in a few states are completely lax about selling guns, not laws in the South about concealed carry.
This could be fixed by actually telling the NRA and the gun makers to go fuck themselves & to elevate the debate so we can actually trace these guns back to the shops in question, which wouldn't bother the 90%+ of gun owners who are law-abiding and don't ever go and fill a trunk full of guns which they plan to cross state lines with.
Or, we can do what the other fellow posted and continue doing NOTHING and wondering why we don't see any changes.
Dumping large amounts of firearms into Chicago is an act of terrorism by my standards, and it's definitely intentional.
"You need a course in reading comprehension. "
I guess that's why I always score in the 99th percentile on standardized tests. I actually aced the last one I took!
"Go back and read what I wrote, the problem is gun shops in a few states are completely lax about selling guns, not laws in the South about concealed carry. "
Nothing stops anyone from Chicago from driving to the burbs to buy a handgun, it's perfectly legal.
"This could be fixed by actually telling the NRA and the gun makers to go fuck themselves & to elevate the debate"
Yeah, I find that telling people to fuck off always elevates a debate.
"we can actually trace these guns back to the shops in question"
What stops anyone from tracing a gun right now if the numbers haven't been filed off?
"Or, we can do what the other fellow posted and continue doing NOTHING and wondering why we don't see any changes."
I'm not in favor of doing NOTHING, but I don't buy your concern troll routine.
"Dumping large amounts of firearms into Chicago is an act of terrorism by my standards, and it's definitely intentional."
Don't be ridiculous.
you aced a test? what are you, in high school? welcome to the real world.
"Nothing stops anyone from Chicago from driving to the burbs to buy a handgun, it's perfectly legal."
Did I say "the burbs"? No. I said "other states," specifically Mississippi and Indiana.
here, shut your piehole for a minute and actually learn something:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/c…
Gangs run gun pipeline from Delta to Chicago
Lenient laws make buying weapons easier in South
"...The story of Chicago drug dealers, Delta poverty and the guns that link them is a significant piece of the puzzle in this city's problem with violence.
In the first part of the 20th Century, 5 million African-Americans left the sharecropping cotton economy of the Delta in search of a better life in the North. But the story of the Great Migration has a tragic side as well.
As neighborhood segregation created ghettos in Chicago, and the industrial jobs that lured people north disintegrated in the 1960s and 1970s, Chicago gangs turned drug peddling into a big, violent business on the South and West Sides. For decades, Chicago's problems have been trickling back to the Delta, making matters worse in a rural region already ravaged by poverty and inequity.
As Chicago toughened local restrictions on owning and selling firearms, gangs began turning to the homeland of their grandparents for firepower. Across the South, gun laws are much more lenient than in the North. Anyone with a Mississippi state ID can walk into a dealer's shop and get as many guns as desired, without a waiting period. In Illinois, buyers need a firearm owner's identification card and must wait 72 hours to obtain the gun.
The result has been a pipeline of Chicagoans going south, recruiting family members or acquaintances to buy guns for them, then running them back to Chicago to fuel the violence on the streets.
Police say thousands of guns a year are trafficked from Mississippi to Chicago. They seize a tiny fraction of them, said Sgt. Ken Barnas, who runs the Police Department unit that traces guns used in crimes.
In 2002, Chicago police seized 493 guns that were traced to Mississippi, second only to Indiana among out-of-state sources of illegal guns, according to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."
on this, get yourself to a library and learn about the difference between corporate and natural persons.
the NRA and gun manufacturers aren't people. They deserve as much say in this matter as the tobacco companies did when the research was finally so undeniable that nobody would buy the "smoking doesn't cause cancer" line.
And don't make me laugh with your constant dumbing-down of the discourse here by condescending posters as "concern trolls." My concern is one of Chicago's longest running truly investigative papers is having their message boards taken over by a kid in mom's basement who doesn't how to have a constructive conversation.
The topics you regularly dumb down with stupid one-liners aren't joking matter. You were likely that kid in school in love with the sound of his own voice and who couldn't keep his mouth shut even when he nothing to add to the discussion.
Prove me wrong, Snarky.
Show me ONE SOLUTION you've spent more than a 2 second Google search thinking about on this issue. And no, continuing the status quo of pretending we can ban the problem isn't a solution, that's why we call it the status quo
""This could be fixed by actually telling the NRA and the gun makers to go fuck themselves & to elevate the debate"
Yeah, I find that telling people to fuck off always elevates a debate.
"what are you, in high school? welcome to the real world."
Here in the real world, we use capitalized letters.
-- MrJM
"you aced a test? what are you, in high school? welcome to the real world."
Actually, it was a vocational exam conducted by the US Government.
"here, shut your piehole for a minute and actually learn something:"
I'm fully aware of the situation, but I'd recommend not quoting more than five paragraphs of a copyrighted story. And I just don't see why liberalizing gun laws in Chicago is going to make other governmental bodies tighten up and put a damper on the number of guns coming into town.
"My concern is one of Chicago's longest running truly investigative papers is having their message boards taken over by a kid in mom's basement who doesn't how to have a constructive conversation."
Cry me a river, liberal. I don't remember you putting up much of a fight when we had hundreds of gun nuts on here from the Drudge Report. Furthermore, my dad in the one who lives in the basement!
"You were likely that kid in school in love with the sound of his own voice and who couldn't keep his mouth shut even when he nothing to add to the discussion."
Indeed.
"Show me ONE SOLUTION"
I don't need to show you jack shit, you fucking phony concern troll.
"on this, get yourself to a library and learn about the difference between corporate and natural persons."
And now that you mention it, I took two semesters of law. Got straight A's, of course!
You are hilarious, so I'm a liberal who turns a blind eye to Drudge report sheep? That makes no sense there, Snarky.
Furthermore on the reading comprehension:
"And I just don't see why liberalizing gun laws in Chicago is going to make other governmental bodies tighten up and put a damper on the number of guns coming into town."
You don't see that because that makes no sense. I never said that did. What I said was our current gun policies don't seem to be slowing the tide of guns into Chicago, and I backed that up.
If there are studies showing liberalizing gun laws might actually have a deterrent effect, it would seem to be ignorant to not even take them into consideration.
We're clear - you got nothin' by way of meaningful solutions. You can resort to your "concern troll" whining if it makes you happy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Inte…
But that makes no sense either. You seriously think I (or anyone) doesn't want to see Chicago's gun violence decrease? Like I said, get out of the house and join the rest of us who actually live here. You have yet to provide any background showing that you in fact have any expertise in the matters you routinely belittle others on.
And I have added proper capitalization just to make MrJM happy.
"And now that you mention it, I took two semesters of law. Got straight A's, of course!"
From where, Lionel Hutz's Fly-By-Night Law School? You tell me in legalese what can be done about our gun problem. I'll give you shit every day for being the smart-assed little punk that you are, but if you have good ideas I'm all ears. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I'm curious to see Chief McCarthy's position papers as chairman of a policy committee on gun control for the Major Cities Chiefs Association.
I went to the website and Facebook page but could find nothing on the committee.
"Like I said, get out of the house and join the rest of us who actually live here."
I'm in my office on LaSalle Street right now.
"You have yet to provide any background showing that you in fact have any expertise in the matters you routinely belittle others on."
Unlike you, I don't have to take off my pants to count to 21.
Nothing funnier than watching a troll flame out when pressed for actual coherent thoughts. You're a bush-leaguer, pal. Go to the freeper site and learn how to properly foam at the mouth like a rabid dog who just can't stop making noise.
"Nothing funnier than watching a troll flame out when pressed for actual coherent thoughts."
Like I've said before on other forums, I'm not going to waste a lot of time trying to make a hostile Internet adversary happy by attempting to answer open-ended questions with no easy solutions.
"You're a bush-leaguer, pal."
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
"Go to the freeper site and learn how to properly foam at the mouth like a rabid dog who just can't stop making noise."
No need for that given your mother's example.
"I'm not going to waste a lot of time trying to make a hostile Internet adversary happy by attempting to answer open-ended questions with no easy solutions."
who's hostile? for a guy (or one really ugly chick based on the image) who claims to have gone to CPS for 13 years, your skin should be alligator hide tough.
I'm glad we agree many of these issues do in fact have no easy solutions. I am genuinely puzzled why you conflate having a real conversation with "making me happy."
I could go on my merry way never giving two shits about the poor in Chicago, or segregation, or any of these topics but that's the sissy way out. I do believe in karma, so I'm going to refrain from any juvenile retorts about your parental units. I've also seen pictures of Al Capone's mom, and I think I'll pass.
"who's hostile? for a guy (or one really ugly chick based on the image) who claims to have gone to CPS for 13 years, your skin should be alligator hide tough."
My skin might be tough, but you are still hostile.
*"I'm glad we agree many of these issues do in fact have no easy solutions. I am genuinely puzzled why you conflate having a real conversation with "making me happy."*
I'm not required to write an essay for you, teach.
"I could go on my merry way never giving two shits about the poor in Chicago, or segregation, or any of these topics but that's the sissy way out. "
Yeah, whatever.
"I do believe in karma, so I'm going to refrain from any juvenile retorts about your parental units."
People who believe in karma are delusional. And the 70's called, they want their catchphrase back!
If I'm hostile I'm not sure what that makes you. "Batshit crazy" comes to mind.
I think I'm going to go start a band called the "Hostile Internet Adversaries," although adding hostile is kinda redundant.
"Yeah, whatever."
Just for you:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Py7ZQ7RvyY/S83J…
"Blah blah blah, what about NOLA and Baton Rouge?"
A picture is worth a thousand words, troll.
http://www.the-minuteman.org/content/2011/…
I note that you completely fail to address my assertion that its not the police's job to protect you, its your own and you are derelict. I'm just glad I'm not your dependant, at the mercy of the world while you bop along in candyland.
"I note that you completely fail to address my assertion that its not the police's job to protect you, its your own and you are derelict."
Yeah, and I notice that you've completely failed to suck my dick. How do you explain New Orleans being the most violent major city in the nation given that they have lax gun laws? How do you explain the US being the most violent industrialized country with relatively lax gun laws?
"I'm just glad I'm not your dependant, at the mercy of the world while you bop along in candyland."
I've never heard LaSalle Street described as Candyland, but I do have a jar of it on my desk!
I notice you completely failed.
"How do you explain New Orleans being the most violent major city in the nation given that they have lax gun laws? "
Poverty perpetuated to maintain the status quo, aggravated by multiple natural and man made disasters. Why don't you tell me what a punk bitch's theory is?
"How do you explain the US being the most violent industrialized country with relatively lax gun laws?"
easy. its not.
#6 in Assault, behind South Africa
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass_…
#9 in Rapes behind Canada, Australia, South Africa
Murders? take a peek.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-…
Manslaughter too.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_man_…
Even if you narrow it to murders with firearms, we're still behind South Africa and Colombia, both industrialized countries.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_…
But who needs facts when you have an agenda?
I've never heard of La Salle Street described as Candyland either, but then I've never heard of La Salle Street. You probably didn't know it, but there is whole lot more to the world than your atrophying midwest city.
You'll have to venture out to realize that, because it ain't gonna come to you, thanks in large part to policies like the ones you advocate for.
"I do have a jar of it on my desk"
all the better to entice the kiddies, huh?
The world "ain't gonna come to" Chicago -- because of gun control laws?
Rubbish.
-- MrJM
"Rubbish"
Sure thing, Cleopatra. Rubbish is exactly what springs to mind when I think "Chicago".
I seriously doubt that you could fit ine more derelict asshole inside the city limits.
Here's a great idea:
You continue to make virtue of your irresponsibility, and I'll keep laughing at you from afar. Deal?
When presented with the question "Who is responsible for your safety, and the protection of your life, liberty, and property?" I answer "I am", and I'm correct. You answer "No one", and so are you.
"I notice you completely failed."
Gun nut declares victory! When I'm talking about industrialized countries, I'm talking about places like the Eurozone and Japan, not fucking Columbia and South Africa. When was the last time you saw a Columbian or South African automobile? And that one list claims that Yemen has two orders of magnitude less assaults than the US when in reality, Americans have to travel in Yemen dressed in native grab with armed guards. As of March, the State Department has advised American citizens to consider leaving the country immediately!
"I've never heard of La Salle Street described as Candyland either, but then I've never heard of La Salle Street. You probably didn't know it, but there is whole lot more to the world than your atrophying midwest [sic] city."
You might hear of it when my associates buy your tract home for a dime on the dollar.
"I seriously doubt that you could fit ine more derelict asshole inside the city limits."
Keyboarding Klew: You'll find that you make much fewer typos if you pull your head out of your ass.
-- MrJM
LMAO at the derelict slicks who are reduced to giving typing advice between episodes of fleeing mobs of teenagers. Thanks also for the info that South Africa is not even industrialized. That makes their inclusion in, and former chairmanship of the G-20 even more impressive.
My "tract home" is a 2500 sq ft brick on 125 acres with a lake. Its not for sale, but I can find you some property nearby (10-15 miles) that is. However, I doubt your whole voting district is 125 acres, or that your broke ass firm could afford anything here. This is Madison County, Alabama, Forbes "#1 place to Weather the Economic Downturn", repeatedly one of the "Top 50 Best Places to raise children", ." We just got a AAA bond rating, while you were cleaning Paul Hemke's dick. You could ask your neighbors if you only knew who the fuck your neighbors were, they are probably eyeing some of the thousands of jobs moving here. Maybe you can buy up THEIR rathole apartments, when they flee your shithole city once and for all, huh derelict? Is it chi-town, or shi-town? Hard to tell.
BTW, this "gun nut" is a lifelong Democrat. I'm pro-choice. I'm for a much more progressive tax rate. I donate time and $$ to Human Rights Campaign, Democracy Now!, and Equality Alabama. I voted for Clinton, I voted for Gore, I voted for Kerry, I voted for Obama. I'll vote for Obama again. Unlike you and that asshat Daly, he has sense enough to STFU when it comes to RKBA. So you're right. I do declare victory. I get exactly what I want, and I do, in fact, win.
You keep footing the bill for those SCOTUS challenges, and I'll keep pointing and laughing at your helpless little fits of indignant rage. Its what passes for enterainment out here in the sticks.
"Thanks also for the info that South Africa is not even industrialized."
I'm not saying that there is no industry in South Africa, but the main business is ripping raw materials out of the ground. It's like Canada with surfing. It's more appropriate to compare the US to Japan, Germany, the UK, etc. "Industrialized countries" is an idiomatic expression; it doesn't mean every country with a loom or foundry. When I plugged it into the leading search engine, I got this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_cou…
*My "tract home" is a 2500 sq ft brick on 125 acres with a lake.*
That's some brick!
"Maybe you can buy up THEIR rathole apartments, when they flee your shithole city once and for all, huh derelict?"
I'd love to be able to, but the cheapest studio apartment around here is worth more than your rural brick.
*This is Madison County, Alabama*
I wouldn't live there if you paid me, particularly since it's next to Tennessee.
*You could ask your neighbors if you only knew who the fuck your neighbors were, they are probably eyeing [sic] some of the thousands of jobs moving here.*
I do know many of my neighbors, but I really doubt that any are going to leave downtown Chicago for the vocational opportunities offered by rural Alabama.
*BTW, this "gun nut" is a lifelong Democrat.*
Yeah, you and Jeane Kirkpatrick.
"Unlike you and that asshat Daly, [sic] he has sense enough to STFU when it comes to RKBA."
He also knows how to spell the name of the most famous political family in town!
"I do declare victory. I get exactly what I want, and I do, in fact, win."
You and Charlie Sheen.
"You keep footing the bill for those SCOTUS challenges"
Spit in the ocean.
"Its what passes for enterainment [sic] out here in the sticks."
Are all your female relatives on the rag or something?
"Are all your female relatives on the rag or something?"
Come clean. Which guy are you from the Lyons Den story?
"I'm not saying that there is no industry in South Africa, but...."
The brakes on grown-up bikes are on the handlebars. It doesn't matter how fast you backpedal, they don't go slower.
"I'd love to be able to, but the cheapest studio apartment around here is worth more than your rural brick."
Doubt it. The farm it sits on is worth more than half a mil alone. Plus it doesn't smell like raw sewage. Nowhere within a hundred miles of Chicago can make such a claim.
"I wouldn't live there if you paid me, particularly since it's next to Tennessee."
Obviously no one is gonna pay you, that's why you can't afford to move here and are stuck there in your office on lucille street.
"He also knows how to spell the name of the most famous political family in town!"
Not MY town. I guessing he must give a flying fuck about has-been mayors of has-been towns. That wouldn't be something we have in common.
"Yeah, you and Jeane Kirkpatrick."
The funniest part is that you think you think there are people who think like you who don't hang out on lucille street.
"Are all your female relatives on the rag or something?"
What makes you think I'm a jew?
"The brakes on grown-up bikes are on the handlebars. It doesn't matter how fast you backpedal, they don't go slower."
Unless you've got a fixie. But in Birmingham, they love the governor.
"Doubt it. The farm it sits on is worth more than half a mil alone. Plus it doesn't smell like raw sewage. Nowhere within a hundred miles of Chicago can make such a claim. "
A whole half million? I didn't even know that much money existed!
"Obviously no one is gonna pay you, that's why you can't afford to move here and are stuck there in your office on lucille street."
I'm not going to throw away a good desk job to go pick cotton down in the hillbilly section of one of the more backward states in the union. The smart branch of our family got out of farming 70 years ago.
"Not MY town. I guessing he must give a flying fuck about has-been mayors of has-been towns. That wouldn't be something we have in common."
Do you remember your President Nixxon?
"The funniest part is that you think you think there are people who think like you who don't hang out on lucille street."
I've worked with some of the most conservative crackpots you could imagine.
"What makes you think I'm a jew?"
You were biting on my foreskin so hard that I thought that you might be a moyle.
"Come clean. Which guy are you from the Lyons Den story?"
I got that line from Judy Tenuta.
Unless you've got a fixie. But in Birmingham, they love the governor
I'm not going to throw away a good desk job to go pick cotton down in the hillbilly section of one of the more backward states in the union. The smart branch of our family got out of farming 70 years ago.
Do you remember your President Nixxon?"
Sweet home alabama, nixon, lack of awareness that this hillbilly backwater houses Marshall Spaceflight Center, Army Space and Missile Command, Boeing, General Dynamics, General Atomics, and the Army Rotary Aviation Command Wing. You're showing your age geezer. No wonder my dick smells like polydent. I'm surprised you didn't leave your dentures on my scrotum. FYI I don't remember POTUS Nixxon (Nixon either). I was born during the Carter Administration. About the same time you turned 16 and were married to your uncle. Mazel tov!!
"You were biting on my foreskin so hard that I thought that you might be a moyle"
Nope, I was in this hillbilly backwater. You're the first old bitch I've ever met who calls her prominent labia "foreskin".
There's an article in the Atlantic about doctors who can fix that for you. You do get the Atlantic in Shitown, right? Maybe one of your "nephews" can run get it for you, if you give him some candy out of that bait jar you keep on your desk.
"A whole half million? I didn't even know that much money existed!"
That's because you live in a place what hasn't been a place of any importance since Prohibition ended, unless your top priority is the aquisition of crack, or jew children.
"Sweet home alabama, nixon, lack of awareness that this hillbilly backwater houses Marshall Spaceflight Center, Army Space and Missile Command, Boeing, General Dynamics, General Atomics, and the Army Rotary Aviation Command Wing."
Always nice to hear from the Hootin' Holler Chamber of Commerce, particularly since Boeing has their HQ here and our Crown family are major shareholders of General Dynamics.
"That's because you live in a place what hasn't been a place of any importance since Prohibition ended, unless your top priority is the aquisition of crack, or jew [sic] children."
We make matzo out of the blood of Gentile children, silly.
"Always nice to hear from the Hootin' Holler Chamber of Commerce"
Nice to talk to the Derelict Queen too. Any other responsibilities that are just too much trouble for you to shoulder, princess? Send em this way, and let the men handle them while you sip cosmos and talk about how much money you wish you had. You know, stick to what you pussies are good at.
"Nice to talk to the Derelict Queen too. Any other responsibilities that are just too much trouble for you to shoulder, princess? Send em this way, and let the men handle them while you sip cosmos and talk about how much money you wish you had. You know, stick to what you pussies are good at."
Why don't you just cut to the chase and call me a faggot?
"Madison County, Alabama"
Anybody with an ounce of sense would rather mop piss in Chicago than be the king of Madison County, Alabama.
-- MrJM
What a bunch of mature fellas you guys are. I'd love to stick you in a room together and listen to the crickets chirp.
"I'd love to stick you in a room together and listen to the crickets chirp."
You have a cricket infestation?
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