Monday, September 22, 2008

Tracking clout

Posted by Mick Dumke on 09.22.08 at 12:00 PM

Independent political consultant Mike Fourcher and attorney Jay Paul Deratany actually think the relationships and decisions of local politicians should be open and clear for the public to see.

“We’d like to bring some light to the back room deals,” says Deratany, who last winter lost an insurgent bid for the Cook County Board of Review. “So many times people don't have the information they need—they just have the spin put on by a politician or advocacy group.”

Sounds like the pleasant dreams of reformer types—except that these guys are serious enough about it to have logged hundreds of hours producing cloutwiki.org, a new reference site that offers political bios and connecting links for dozens of local politicians.

The two put together a team of journalists and political activists who over the last few months compiled an assortment of facts about Chicago aldermen, Cook County board commissioners, and area congressmen. The site, just launched, is still “a work in progress,” by Deratany’s own admission (or a “labor of masochism,” by Fourcher’s). Only a handful of the entries about county board members are complete, for instance, but Fourcher and Deratany say they’re planning to fill in the blanks—and expand the site’s reach—with input from readers. “We can’t wait for people to start checking our facts,” Fourcher says. But unlike, say, wikipedia, the content on the site will be controlled pretty carefully. Submissions and suggestions are welcome, but the entries won’t be open for public editing.

For critics of Machine politics, the writing on the site is pretty matter-of-fact and free of spin. Fourcher and Deratany say that at some point they may create a related “reformist” site that’s got a more overt political message, but they say they want the information on cloutwiki.org to speak for itself.

That doesn’t mean they gloss over any bullshit. The entry on 12th Ward alderman George Cardenas, for example, bluntly notes that he’s “earned a reputation as a quiet and regular vote for Mayor Daley” and points out that while his own Web site claims he has experience working for Fortune 500 companies, “the nature of that experience is unclear.” Tom Tunney, the Daley loyalist who represents an independent-minded 44th Ward, "has worked to make few waves and to split the difference whenever he can." County board president Todd Stroger, meanwhile, "is the beneficiary of a carefully crafted political legacy created by his father, the late 8th Ward boss and Cook County Board President, John Stroger."

 

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"Since we lacked access to the city's rich daily newspaper archives, we are sure we've missed a lot of great stories and information," what, no one had a Chicago Public Library card?

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Posted by Hugh on 09/22/2008 at 1:46 PM

"In most cases we list our sources at the bottom of an entry. Our guiding rule was to use information in the public domain so as to remove as much bias as possible." in MOST cases???? Most of the articles I perused had a list of links at the bottom. but no footnotes relating the contenct to the sources, and much of the content was independent of an source. To take one example, there is no source cited for "Team Jan" although this organization is attributed by the authirs as having a key role in the success and failure of many political races. "Public domain" in this context seems to mean "common knowledge (not requiring vigorous sourcing)" and "common knowledge" is hardly free from bias.

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Posted by Hugh on 09/22/2008 at 2:03 PM

"But unlike, say, wikipedia, the content on the site will be controlled pretty carefully." wikipedia has a distributed, community-based editorial review process, and cloutwiki is closed and centralized, but it is not clear that cloutwiki is more careful or more free from bias. It's not clear to me why these volunteers did not simply work to enhance wikipedia.

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Posted by Hugh on 09/22/2008 at 2:11 PM

"Writing factually-accurate entries is time consuming." Wikipedia is less concerned with distinguishing "fact" vs. "non-fact" as it is "verifiable" vs. "unverifiable," that is, sourcing is an important community value, particularly for living persons as subjects; this value is not demonstrated by the debut of cloutwiki. If you want to crush the bias out of a text, the best way is to post it and let anyone who wants to edit it until it gravitates toward something everyone can sort of live with.

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Posted by Hugh on 09/22/2008 at 2:18 PM

Jay Paul Derataney is not an independent or reformer. He is a big shot PI attorney with big money and connections to the Democratic Karl Rove: David Axelrod. It may have been an insurgent run but he had big support of liberal Machine bosses Larry Suffredina and Cong Shakowsky and others. It was an anti-Hispanic power play that tried to disempower Hispanics. He ran a racist race as did Suffredin and those opposing Avila in the MWRD.

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Posted by Jesse on 09/22/2008 at 2:19 PM

Word on the Street....why don't you let the courts decide, unless of course you like to make it known that the judges are on the take. Can't wait for another Greylord then.

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Posted by On the take on 09/22/2008 at 10:20 PM

Back to the subject matter at hand..... Very amatuerish site. Full of inaccuracies. For example - on the Lona Lane page (18th Ward Alderman) it says that Thomas Allen was the alderman of the 18th Ward before becoming a judge and he supported his staffer Lane to be his replacement. Guess these guys never heard of Thomas Murphy....

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Posted by Orion on 09/23/2008 at 6:40 AM

Cloutipedia site is not as impartial as the author suggests. Some aldermen rate cut-job pieces taken from very partisan sources, other entries are glowing reports straight from the aldermen's self penned bios. This site is only a tad better than Coconuts site.....but at least coconuts admits to being an uneducated idiot, this cloutpedia is trying to be a real reference, instead it is a joke.

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Posted by Orion on 09/23/2008 at 6:51 AM

Orion- Thanks for the correction. We've made the change. Please let us know if you have more suggestions.

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Posted by Mike Fourcher on 09/23/2008 at 10:48 AM

Sorry, it is not my role to be an unpaid editor for this endeavor. If the site were like Wikipedia, where readers could make changes that could be vetted, one might be inclined to go through the site and make corrections. But the larger matter is that in some entries very subjective content is there, unchallenged. and that is not a problem if the intent is to provide entertainment. but if the site is to be taken seriously, there should be either objective entries or at least balance to them - and not parroting Chicago Ward by Ward to provide filler. just my two cents....

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Posted by Orion on 09/23/2008 at 11:46 AM

Just checked, still making references to Alderman Allen..... "When her former boss, former 18th Ward Alderman Thomas Murphy, was elected to be a Cook County judge in 2006, Allen encouraged Mayor Richard M. Daley to appoint one staffer, Paul Stewart, to be appointed to the position. Daley hesitated and decided on another Allen staffer, Lane, instead. With only 10 weeks between appointment and elections, Allen tepidly withdrew his support from Stewart and Daley threw his full weight behind Lane. With union backing, Stewart was able to force Lane into a run-off."

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Posted by Orion on 09/23/2008 at 12:45 PM

As an example, the entry for Ald. Burke, who is one of the most corrupt members of the council has nary a word about the rampant conflicts of interests between his law clients and matters that come before him on the council; his 24/7 police bodyguard detail; the ghost payrolling of former ald. Martinez on his committee payroll; the stealing of Tina Olison's baby (Baby T)....subjective items of which would have found their way on to other aldermen's entries - namely african-american aldermen.

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Posted by Orion on 09/23/2008 at 1:18 PM

From: http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/ " Slowdown Talk At last count, something like one hundred news organizations picked up the AP Wire story about the Chicago Police Department 'rebelling' against J-Fed. There's also a growing movement among some commentators to advocate rash action. We'd like to remind people of the following: * ARTICLE 5 NO STRIKE Section 5.1 — No Strike Commitment. Neither the Lodge nor any officer will call, institute, authorize, participate in, sanction, encourage, or ratify any strike, work stoppage, or other concerted refusal to perform duties by any officer or officer group, or the concerted interference with, in whole or in part, the full, faithful and proper performance of the duties of employment with the Employer. Neither the Lodge nor any officer shall refuse to cross any picket line, by whomever established. And this: * Section 5.4 — Discipline of Strikers. Any officer who violates the provisions of Section 5.1 of this Article shall be subject to immediate discharge. Any action taken by the Employer against any officer who participates in action prohibited by Section 5.1 above shall not be considered as a violation of this Agreement and shall not be subject to the provisions of the grievance procedure; except that the issue whether an officer in fact participated in a prohibited action shall be subject to the grievance and arbitration procedure. Commenting on an anonymous blog is one thing. Talk at roll call, in front of god knows who, in this political climate is something to be wary of and might open up a can of worms. If you go through the archives, you will not find one instance of SCC advocating a strike, slowdown, stoppage or similar job action. Guess why? Now, there isn't anything in the contract that we've ever seen that would prohibit advocating the 'proper performance of the duties' of a Chicago Police Officer. The 'proper performance of duties' might include the following: * Enforcement of any and all parking restrictions in the vicinity of churches, synagogues, or other such houses of worship. Pros - We are doing our job enforcing the duly enacted ordinances of the City Council. So-called 'parking courtesy' is a political move that allows storefront churches to exist without providing adequate parking for their congregation. Cons - Commanders aren't going to be happy with all the phone calls and non-suiting of tickets they'll have to do. There's a good chance of retaliation. * Enforcement of any and all moving violations against media trucks, cars, and such. Pros - Again, we're doing the job, enforcing the law. Delivery trucks aren't special just because it's 3-in-the-morning. The media gets annoyed, but they aren't doing us any favors lately, so who gives a fuck? Cons - No free papers, but that's a no-no under strict interpretation of the Rules and Regs anyway - a fifty-cent paper to avoid a $100 moving violation? Sounds like a J-Fed referral to a Federal Grand Jury is a step away. * The next holiday (13 October), everyone check the Money Box. No one take the 12 hours, just take the money. Pros - It's legal, it's contractually protected, it's a simple way of costing Shortshanks a bunch of money upfront instead of in a few years when we retire. Cons - none that we can see. Christmas is coming anyway and the kids need new sleds. * This is a big one and would take a concerted effort on a few levels. Every job, and we mean every single job, gets a response. Not just the gun calls, robbery calls and in-progress stuff that no one was slowing down on in the first place, but the dope calls, the noise disturbances, the cigarette sellers, every single damn call. O.W. Wilson believed that if a citizen cared enough to call, then they deserved a response. It was the basis for motorizing the entire Department. No supervisor coding old jobs, no Tact teams stacking the jobs and going off to do their own surveillance, no one claiming they'll get to it. Everyone goes. Within three hours, the Department would grind to a halt. Pros - this would highlight the manpower shortage in ways normal counting can conceal. Of course, political spots (read Captain) would probably be ordered to code jobs from behind the desks and OEMC would be ordered to quash jobs, but can you imagine if the media ever did some followup? They won't because we wrote them all tickets in second bullet point above. Cons - Anyone? And don't say 'we'd have to answer all those jobs.' We're supposed to do that anyway, but the blanket codes only exacerbate the 'do more with less' attitude that is burning everyone out. Each and every one of these is a way to make a statement. Each and every one also DOES NOT run afoul of Section 5 of the Contract the way some of the other wilder proposals do. Whatever is happening at this moment in time is getting the attention of downtown, City Hall and the national media. More eyeballs on Shortshanks is a good thing. Labels: contract stuff posted by SCC at 12:05 AM 22 comments" And from the comments section: "REBELLION? No, I wouldn’t say that. STRIKE? SLOWDOWN? Nay-nay! Never! Hell no! As for me, I’m doing my job, NO MORE, NO LESS. I get a call, I’m going to it. Want someone arrested? Noooo problem buddy, just sign right here, and here, on the bottom of this complaint. Got your ass kicked? Here’s your report. Robbed? Here’s your report. Car accident? Here’s your report. The occasional parker, and I’m all good. At this point, I’d hate to 'Violate somebody’s Civil Rights'. I did 'Proactive' type policing for going on a decade and a half, and it got me bullshit CR’s ( I loved the 'Search without a Warrant' ones we got while doing a Search Warrant!), Sued a handful of times, Behavioral Intervention for over a year, and a whole lot more bull shit and stress than I want to remember. Looking for trouble got me trouble! However, I also had big time fun! I loved being the 'police'. I still get a good feeling when I lock up a bad guy that needs to go to jail. I knew I had a few good partners, and Sgts/Lts/W.C.s. More important, I felt that I had the Departments support. I trusted people on this job, I loved this job. Now, not so much! I still trust my partners, and some of the Sgts, not many beyond that. As for Supt. Weis; NOT A FUCKING CHANCE! I, professionally, don’t trust him! That’s me; you go make your own decisions about him. I know this Department could give a fuck less about me, you, and any other individual out there, regardless of rank. I have seen too many cops get tossed to the wolves in the past year or so. Lately, depending upon your 'Juice', the connected have been getting fucked with too! We, as a Department, have too many bosses that have never been the 'Police'. Too many house cats in the upper ranks trying to re-invent police work that they have never done! Too many officers that are needed out on the street are sitting in some do-nothing job, kissing ass for the next promotion. A Supt that has been in Law Enforcement, but never has been the 'Police', or has made attempts to. (And NO, one day with the other fed, and 'Tiny Tina' in 003 on a domestic/Man w-a gun don’t count, but it DID give him an eye opener on our CR process!) He has had more than a few opportunities to show that he 'Has our backs'. Ok, you have me: M-4’s are a good start, but are being held up due to budget problems. Different work schedules are looking good, and I’m willing to 'Wait and see'. Oh, now you lost me: 15 months suspension for armed robbery because you are connected? Dictate what we do legally off duty (Side jobs/drinking)? Real incentive to be an FTO right about now too! Seek federal charges on an officer who had already served his punishment, but not seek federal charges of some of these bad-guys (i.e. the 'alleged' shithead that killed the O.D.P.O & friend). Some of us may be dumb, but we aint stupid! We know the 'squeaky wheel gets the grease'! I and a whole lot of other cops are just doing 'Black and White' policing, no more 'Grey' area stuff! And in today’s climate, why would you want to? But this is what the Department wanted; now they are complaining? As far as the saying 'Doing nothing never got anyone fired' I can count three that I know of, two of them, including the Det that did NOTHING when informed of an armed robbery while shopping on duty, got back on the job! The third just got canned for running the other way during the armed confrontation on 71st St a few years ago. 9/23/2008 01:51:00 AM" and "There is no slow down. We were put in a position where, we were told that if we do things the old way in which we had control of the streets, we would be hung out to dry. Who the fuck wants to work for someone like that. You wanted to have your cake and eat it too. Well, Now you can choke on it you assholes. Daly and the steal what you can public, who gets shit handed out to them because they feel it's their right not to work and have the state/taxpayers pay for their shit. Thining the herd is what I call it. Chalkie is thining the herd and is doing a great job of it, except for the innocent kids. There is no excuse for that. So, when ever someone brings up a slowdown, it's not. It's called survival, you don't sandbag people for the numbers game and hope no one sues you for fasle arrest and a civil rights violation lawsuit were you are the named defendant. Go out and do a mini edge mission, how about go fuck yourself. Fuck your numbers, fuck your activity from last year to this year. It was made very clear, that working hard and doing the right thing by taking care of business the way it should be, would land us in jail. Proactivity was an extra from the PO's on the street. You don't want it and don't want to pay us for it and keep taking away our benefits and raising our taxes for a Olympics you don't have and are spending money like it's going out of style. Well you got what you wanted, now deal with it and don't tell us that we need to, so we can have our time due, pricks. If I see some one commiting a crime, I'll lock them up. But, I'm not going out of my way to grab someone for bullshit, anymore. Brothers and sisters, we are our own keepers. No one else will help us, we have to take care of each other. PLEASE!!! WE ARE SHOWING THEM WE ARE TOGETHER AND ARE STANDING AS ONE AND IT SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF THEM. 9/23/2008 02:12:00 AM" and "Food for thought: The City of Chicago claims that they have 13,500 Sworn Police Officers on the City of Chicago Budget/Line Item. Other sources are claiming that there are only 9,500 Sworn Police Officers. Do the math on this one. If there are only 9,500 Police Officers that works out that the City of Chicago(Mayor Daley)is stealing about 400 million dollars a year from the taxpayers. Where is money going too? Is going towards some Off-Shore bank account to hide it? Or is going towards to pay off construction costs to his Buddies/Cronies? Are you Feds are soo damn dumb you cant figure this one out? 9/23/2008 02:46:00 AM" and "Glad someone pointed out the obvious. We often read posts complaining about how the General Orders are written to discipline us in nearly every situation. Well, they are. But it's a double edged sword. We can use those same orders to our advantage in just the way you outlined. Read your contract. Read your General Orders. There are more ways for us to take action by doing the 'right thing' and doing it 'by the book'. There is no slowdown. There's doing it exactly to the letter of the law. We all know that doing it this way will lead to next to no enforcement. The discretion of the officer is a powerful tool. Use it. They feel a sense of power and control wielding those rules, but they only have that because most cops don't bother learning the rules. There's enough in there for us to stick it to them to make for some real interesting times. No contract? No problem. No old school policing and the crime wave will make them sit down and negotiate. Stick to your guns and work together on this. That's what makes for a powerful union and that is also what they fear the most. 9/23/2008 05:47:00 AM" and "Essentially, I agree with SCC's warnings on this post. If the city can hang their hat on what they would claim as an act of INSUBORDINATION, they will probably go for separation. When they were fucking with me about my truthful public statements on the documented fraud in ExamScam, I had a nearly overwhelming urge to respond to LeRoy Martin's hatchet men (Joseph Curtin, Toby Burton, et al.) with obscenities and even physical blows. Had I done that, the City would have grounds for separation and I would have blown both the job and my federal lawsuit, regardless of the righteousness of my cause. So I bit my lip and responded to the cocksuckers with 'Yes, sir.' I continued to 'walk on eggshells', knowing that the evil Martin had set a trap hoping I would take the bait. However, UNITY is another thing. After a friend from 011, Kenny Kaner had his head blown off with a shotgun in 007 on midnights on June 19, 1970, the ENTIRE first and third watches disobeyed direct orders from both the district commander and the street deputy to man one-man cars. It worked. Rather than suspend and fire all those brave men, the City wisely mandated that during the hours of darkness, all districts city-wide would be manned by two-man cars. At the time, I handled 007 out of the old Area 3 Detective Division. I will never forget the moral courage of those men which I witnessed first hand. I was so proud of their UNITY and RESOLVE. God bless Kenny Kaner! 9/23/2008 05:50:00 AM" Any interest in reporting the news, as in what is happening right now?

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Posted by No Interest, Ben or Mick? on 09/23/2008 at 1:52 PM

Moderators: Please take your thumbs out of your asses and delete this 2nd City Cop shit when it is posted.

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Posted by Orion on 09/23/2008 at 2:15 PM

yea .. I like SCC, but I dont want to read it here.

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Posted by Pete on 09/23/2008 at 2:25 PM

Thanks, Orion. Keep it coming!

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Posted by Mike Fourcher on 09/23/2008 at 3:02 PM

This is sand .. it's not food, it's sand ... we don't eat sand.

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Posted by Dave on 09/23/2008 at 4:35 PM

So now that you've been brought to the point of begging for the suppression of information, do you still have enough time in your days to nibble the mayor's scrotum?

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Posted by re oreo, peter, davey, mikey, et al on 09/23/2008 at 4:52 PM

This site is not good with a lot of errors

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Posted by Rick Garcia on 09/23/2008 at 5:42 PM

People here dont like you anymore Richie. And soon the rest of the Country and World will not either. Thats twice now you've been called out on the national stage---Rudy and now McCain. What you gonna do about it tough guy? Hey Garcia find your own site, and don't go away mad just go away.

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Posted by Free advice To Daley on 09/23/2008 at 5:54 PM

"Writing factually-accurate entries is time consuming." Writing vigorously-sourced, independently verifiable, community-vetted content is time consuming, but many hands make light work. I would heartily encourage anyone considering putting time in on cloutwiki to instead sign-up with the real deal, wikipedia. Wikipedia is a few years ahead of cloutwiki on how to do this kind of thing right. Wikipedia's editorial standards and policies are superior to cloutwiki's.

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Posted by Hugh on 09/23/2008 at 5:56 PM

"How can I become a CloutWiki contributor? ... If you want to write, please pick an example of someone we haven't covered and send us your entry ... " Pick one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chicago_politicians write a new article or edit an existing article you can get started today you don't need to be approved by anyone thanks!

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Posted by Hugh on 09/23/2008 at 5:59 PM

Further, I call on the cloutwiki team to join wikipedia and fold their content into wikipedia and subject their content to the proven wikipedia process.

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Posted by Hugh on 09/23/2008 at 6:07 PM

While you infants waste your time mentally masturbating, using the politics of this city, county and state as your stimulus of choice, real people are living their very real lives. Here's a bit more reality to chew on: From the Second City Cop blog: "Holy Federal Violations Batman!!! The Dept should be more concerned about the civil rights violations going on right now with the arrest, contact card and ticket quotas demanded by commanding officers in the field. For example, TRU, and district tactical/gang teams. Most of these officers work under the expectation of arrest or ticket activity. Some commanders demand from their tactical and gang teams monthly search warrant quotas. All can be easily proven by looking at and analyzing the arrest and ticket data of these officers.. Ted O'Keefe's office is in the process of organizing a task force to develop employee performance measures based on what? How many widgets a police officer can make? Unlike most occupations, policing citizens and protecting their civil rights is a balancing act. Abstract concepts like using good judgment and reasonableness don't work hand in hand with arrest and ticket quotas. In most instances, the proper POLICE Action is to do nothing at all. Even a 'police presence' is on the use of force model. Just be there, being seen is a deterrent to crime. How do you measure that? Quota requirements made by police managers is a major problem when it is used as a performance measure, individual officers start pushing themselves beyond those grey areas into highly questionable police work. What happened within SOS is an example, bogus arrests and false documentation is a direct result of police mismanagement. Plain in simple, quota demands create corrupt policing practices cultivating rogue officer behavior. Officers start fudging the facts in order to get that probable cause to justify the arrest. If you don't keep up your numbers guess how long you keep your spot? No supervisor or police manager should ever use a quota as a performance measure. Using common sense should be a performance measure not a quota. 9/23/2008 08:27:00 AM" From: http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/ Okay, cry babies, you may commence your expected whinning. (Sorry if the above doesn't fit in with your masturbatory needs)

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Posted by re cry babies on 09/23/2008 at 9:06 PM

Still another gem from: http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/ "An ages old union strategy is known as 'working to the rules'. Not a police strategy, but one used in private industry for many, many years. The civilians with their self righteous and sanctimonious bullshit about our 'higher duties' and how we can 'quit if you don't like it' can gfy. You citizens, YOU are the first to judge negatively on any officer that may make a mistake, or even do the right thing that you don't agree with. You are the ones that want the dope slingers arrested, except for your family. You want the street corners cleared, except when its your kids, or you rolling bones. You don't want the smelly piss bums on your upscale streets, but your liberal politicians take away any laws we could use to remove them. You don't want the lunatics and mentals harassing your children, but you pass laws mandating their release from institutions. Someone threatens you or yours and you howl for them to be locked up, yet you tell the police getting punched, spit on, stabbed and shot at is 'part of your job, you volunteered for it'. You made the stifling rules and environment that support the criminal above the protector, but you expect us to answer to our 'higher calling' and at risk of life and liberty to circumvent these very rules with a wink and a nod when it suits you. The street corner dogs, the animals and the reverends probably honestly don't understand the hypocrisy in this view. But YOU, the more learned and relatively law-abiding citizens of this city do. You understand, but continue with your hypocrisy. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You made the rules, you fostered the climate of liberal non-responsibility for one's actions by the thugs and gangs and criminals. You accept your kids dressing like gangsters and listening to foul-mouthed garbage and worshiping anti-social scumbags, me-first entertainers and athletes, most of who openly scoff at the honest and hard working average citizen. You do this, and you DARE to question the motives of the police who are tired of being damned for doing and damned for not, all the while you don't have the least CLUE as to what we really do and what we face daily. You vote for the Daleys and Obamas and Strogers of this world...laughing over your lattes at the 'Chicago way'. Every last one of you, you that know the difference and choose not to act, should look in the mirror in disgust. 9/23/2008 01:05:00 PM"

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Posted by wisdom requires truth on 09/23/2008 at 9:42 PM

I tried to send a link to a video interview with Chicago Author David Fremon Chicago Politics Ward by Ward http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6330004494956033203 The link I sent to the Cloutwiki bounced back to me. I think they have to tweak the site a bit, I would suggest that they put some of the stuff David did for the Chicago Reporter and the neighborhood papers he wrote for.

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Posted by Tony on 09/24/2008 at 6:46 AM

David K. Fremon's "Chicago Politics Ward by Ward" is on my desk everyday, it never makes it back up on the shelf, that's how indispensable it is for understanding Our Fair City. Fremon meticulously, time-consumingly researched "Chicago Politics," using many NEWSPAPER ARCHIVES, not "public knowledge." I know Fremon's "Chicago Politics." Fremon's "Chicago Politics" is a friend of mine. Cloutwiki is no Fremon's "Chicago Politics."

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Posted by Hugh on 09/24/2008 at 8:38 AM

David Fremon, Ward Reporter https://securesite.chireader.com/cgi-bin/Archive/abridged2.bat?path=1999/990820/NABES

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Posted by Hugh on 09/24/2008 at 8:43 AM

Fremon's book is a must for anyone wanting to know about Chicago politics. It is a bit dated, however. Ward maps have changed, city council members have changed. I read an interview he did once about whether there would be an update. He said it was such an exhausting piece of work that he doubted that he would be up to doing another. That is a shame. It seems like this would be a good project for the pointy heads - - to update Fremon's work. He could be a lead advisor on the new book and have the local goo-goo's, college students, etc to the backbreaking leg work. Hell, he could probably even get a grant to underwrite it. The Indiana University Press (the publisher) should give the rights to the U of Chicago Press.

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Posted by Orion on 09/24/2008 at 10:12 AM

" ... an update. [Fremon] said it was such an exhausting piece of work that he doubted that he would be up to doing another. That is a shame." he never got to it, it's a shame if an update is to get done, the way to get it done in the 21st century is co-operatively, online, many hands join wikipedia today

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Posted by Hugh on 09/24/2008 at 10:39 AM

"We'd like to get this site to pay for itself (hosting costs, etc) someday." note to cloutwiki team: wikipedia offers free hosting today

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Posted by BannedForLife on 09/24/2008 at 10:40 AM

Thanks for the link to the TV show with David Fremon, I used to listen to him on WBEZ and I think he was great, I know He updated the book at least once in Chicago magazine, perhaps just a few wards.

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Posted by Richard on 09/24/2008 at 11:25 AM

Moderators: Please take your thumbs out of my asses and delete my shit when it is posted.

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Posted by Orion on 09/24/2008 at 4:35 PM

Superintendant Weis must be doing his job well if people are pissed off that they have to work now, but your posters have a point, this second city blog junk needs to be deleted when it has nothing to do with TIFs. Daley will create more TIFS wherever cronies can cash in. Mayeb you should start a pool for where they go next, like wherever they see an Olympic venue.

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Posted by WEis whiners on 09/24/2008 at 5:58 PM

Here's a suggestion, since you seem to think that cops should be working more than they, to you, have been: 1. post your real name and address, along with the plate numbers to all vehicles you own. Also, post the addresses to any other properties you may own within the confines of the city's borders. 2. when your vehicles get ticketed, you get pulled over while driving and get ticketed and you're stopped and questioned 3 to 5 times a week, remember to thank the officers for working harder on your behalf. 3. say thanks to any and every city employee who happens to write you tickets for sanitation on your property, or properties, building code violation citations, etc. 4. volunteer to pay your property taxes twice, because daley and stroger need your help to close that big, city and county budget shortfall. 5. let your neighbors all know that you support the daley style police department, daley style city services departments and the daley'stroger property tax increases, they'll just love you for your loyalty to the daley crime families. 6. call 911 every time your neighbor's dog craps on your lawn, cops just love trying to track down an offending canine. Make sure the evidence techs get a good sized sample of the crap, so an innocent dog doesn't get unjustly charged. 7. Be prepared to sign a complaint every time you call 911 for police service, since that's what is required for the police to take any kind of action concerning your call, per daley's absolute control over the CPD. Finally, try reading, with comprehension, the opinions posted, and subjects discussed, on: http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/

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Posted by re whining idiot on 09/24/2008 at 6:58 PM

Cops are just the punks and nerds from high school that could'nt get laid and got their asses kicked all the time. Now with a little authority (and a badge and gun) they all want to act like bad asses. Take off the badge and gun and you see what you get, mostly scum-bags like the cop guy that got shot cheating on his wife in the car at 3am. These cops and the multi-million dollar verdicts their brutality cases have helped cause the city's financial problems. BTW - Second City Cop is an annonymous poon-tang, too scared to print his/her name - as are most of the visitors to his site.

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Posted by Orion on 09/24/2008 at 10:09 PM

Gee, someone too scared to print their name, some anonymous poon-tang, I wonder who you could be referring to........

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Posted by by the way.... on 09/24/2008 at 10:37 PM

I guess reading is fundamental. Second City Cop you moron.

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Posted by Orion on 09/25/2008 at 9:27 AM

I love when cops molest me with their bats.

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Posted by Orion on 09/25/2008 at 3:53 PM

Tracking clout... Cloutwiki too much? Wanna' run for Chicago's mayor in 2001? Know someone who wants to run? Let's get going. Go to ChicagoNLA2011 at: http://yahoo.groups.com/group/ChicagoNLA2011 Joe Lake, Bucktown

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Posted by Joe Lake on 04/06/2009 at 7:18 PM

(Fixed Link) Tracking clout... Cloutwiki too much? Wanna' run for Chicago's mayor in 2001? Know someone who wants to run? Let's get going. Go to ChicagoNLA2011 at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChicagoNLA2011 Joe Lake, Bucktown

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Posted by Joe Lake on 04/06/2009 at 7:21 PM
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